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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#56001: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:42:40 PM

My main thing is that she's clearly visible on the character select. Rather than "hidden" behind an alternate costume switch.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#56002: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:44:11 PM

Really now, Fem!Robin is just as much of a character as Male!Robin even if the latter is the one who was promoted in the trailer, they both have a render after all, unlike Male!WFT and Female!Villager. Whether Lucina is a moveset clone or an alternate costume, does it really matter as long as she's in?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#56003: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:47:22 PM

Yes, yes it does. She's her own full character now. Wii Fit Trainer, Robin, and Villager are all one character each, just with different gender options because they can have it.

Your own slot kind of does matter. It's an actual character, not just a reference to them. You're never playing as Blood Falcon, for instance. It's still Captain Falcon overall. A neat reference to other characters is cool, but it doesn't literally make it them.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#56004: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:50:02 PM

It's different though, Blood Falcon is just an alternate palette for Captain Falcon, while Lucina would be a completely different character, appearance-wise, and probably would get her own voice packs and stuff to make her different from Marth.

edited 1st Sep '14 4:50:56 PM by FullMoon

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#56005: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:52:01 PM

That's part of why Lucina was updated from an alt to a character.

You only need your own moveset to be an actual playable character. Voice packs don't really count. Wii Fit Trainer can be male or female, but it's still one playable character. This applies no less for Robin or Villager. References =/= Character. It's always a moveset factor. This is why Sakurai said Brawl has 39 characters, because he didn't count any form of alts or slots, but the exact number of movesets.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#56006: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:52:55 PM

The character is Robin, who can be male or female. Not male Robin, with female Robin as an alt.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#56007: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:01:07 PM

-shrug- If Lucina was an alternate costume for Marth with her own voice pack and maybe even being refered by name in the victory screen or something, it's pretty much the same thing as it is now, except at least for now all that she has is a slightly different mechanic to her moves, not counting her as a character just because she wouldn't have her own little space in the character select screen despite that she's still pretty much just Fem!Marth just sounds petty and dumb for me.

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#56008: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:08:48 PM

Why? As I've said before, as many have said before, she's not taking up a slot for some other character. Besides, I'm pretty sure she's a favorite among FE fans. If it doesn't make sense to you, it's likely it does to someone else. And it most assuredly does to Sakurai.

edited 1st Sep '14 5:09:05 PM by DarthTaco

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#56009: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:11:14 PM

I'm sorry, but they just aren't. They do not play the exact same, so it's not the "same difference" whatsoever.

Playing similarly does not mean they play the same. I'm not sure if this is some ridiculous semantics, but what you're trying to pass off is just plain false.

A Moveset Clone is absolutely not the same thing as an Alt in Smash Bros. Every single one of those, NPC or otherwise, has differences in the end. Could be knockback, extra elemental effects, speed, or actual damage dealt.

That might apply to other fighting games, but it doesn't here. It's a different game with a different set of rules for how clones work. And they're always different from the original in some way. Meaning they don't ever play the same.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#56010: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:13:07 PM

I don't really mind if she's an alt or a character herself and I don't think she's just stealing the spot of a character or anything like that. I just think that if people complained about her being just a Marth alt even if she's pretty much just Fem!Marth in appearance as it is would be pretty silly. My mentality is "if he/she is in the game, then I don't care if it's playable/boss/assist/background/alternate costume as long as he/she is in."

edited 1st Sep '14 5:14:00 PM by FullMoon

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#56011: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:15:49 PM

This reminds me of this picture from when Brawl came out...

I wish there would be an Event in Smash 4 called "Return of the Melee Five" where you would have to fight all of them. [lol]

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#56012: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:20:57 PM

The fact of the matter is, other people do care how they're represented. So it's not good enough if it's not what they want exactly(often as playable). You really should respect other people's opinions on that.

I couldn't even tell what you were saying with the "same difference" bit was an opinion. It came off as a fact, which is why it had to be made clear it was definitely wrong. But your opinion is that it doesn't matter overall is an entirely different story. That's completely respectable.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#56013: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:30:54 PM

If I came out as disrespectful, then I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. I was just stating my opinion and defending my viewpoint, but I guess did come out as rather forceful, so, sorry.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#56014: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:36:10 PM

Apology accepted. As I said, it's fine if you don't mind. But it's understandable to realize some do.

To each their own, of course.

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#56015: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:13:09 PM

I'd like to bring up that I liked Lucina as a character, but how they implemented her just comes across as all kinds of half-assed and lazy to me.

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feeling blue
#56016: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:14:19 PM

Considering she's pretty much a last minute bonus, I think it's pretty understandable.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#56017: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:15:07 PM

Pretty sure that's the point. She's a fan-favorite in a role that took very little effort to include her in and yet is very fitting to her character.

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Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#56018: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:15:13 PM

[up][up]

edited 1st Sep '14 6:15:27 PM by Konkfan7

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#56019: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:19:30 PM

I know, I know, but... How much development time does it take to just change a couple of numbers? Make her have different weight or speed or something? Anything?

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Mummy Woomy
#56020: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:20:45 PM

Again, we don't know anything about that yet. And in fact, different stats like weight or speed should be a given.

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Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#56021: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:21:09 PM

For the love of god.... WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT IF HER WEIGHT AND SPEED ARE DIFFERENT OR NOT.

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#56022: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:21:32 PM

[up]/[up][up]Sakurai specifically said she has the same speed as him. I'm not making assumptions — he specifically said that.

edited 1st Sep '14 6:21:58 PM by BaffleBlend

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#56023: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:22:34 PM

I mean, obviously we don't know yet, but I'm guessing she'll be fragile-r and speedier than Marth to some degree.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#56024: Sep 1st 2014 at 6:23:00 PM

That doesn't apply to weight, regardless.

Seriously, dude, just wait already. It's not that hard.

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