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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#55976: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:11:31 PM

@55974: Who didn't?

At least he had different attributes and his moves had different properties than Mario's, though. Doc's actually less of a clone than her.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:12:48 PM by BaffleBlend

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#55977: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:13:20 PM

You know, you really shouldn't generalize, I'm pretty okay with Dr.Mario myself and I'm sure he has his fans.

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#55978: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:15:01 PM

I don't see any difference really. Both use the styles of an established character, but modify them for the better, and some people can't deal.

Also, I was under the impression Dr. Mario was one of the more well liked clones. Better than, say, Ganonfalcon or Pichu.

[up][up][up]Ah, sorry. I'll shut up.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:15:52 PM by Otherarrow

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55979: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:15:50 PM

Er, Lucina has different attributes. That's the only way she can be a clone. She may be more cloney, though. I want to see her moveset before making any statements around it.

And I loved Dr. Mario, actually. I'm stoked he's back.

[up] YMMV, but Dr. Mario's most notable thing is that he's higher tier than Mario. Ganonfalcon(in Melee) was liked for being a really good character, and Pichu is very mixed. Some find him really fun, others hate him. All 3 are pretty mixed in the end.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:17:02 PM by Irene

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#55980: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:17:40 PM

[up]*headdesk*

We already know her moveset. Sakurai confirmed that her moves and her physical attributes, except for that one hitbox and a very, very slight height difference, are identical to Marth's in that Famitsu interview.

Wasted. Potential. I wouldn't be complaining if she had the possibility of different speed or jump height or something, but that's already been deconfirmed.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:19:52 PM by BaffleBlend

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#55981: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:20:26 PM

[up][up]Fair enough, fair enough. I admit, I don't have a wide scope on these kinds of things.

[up]Let me guess, your dad also works at Nintendo and Sakurai told him personally that Lucina is completely identical other than that one thing, and Sakurai wasn't just making a point (tee hee) in the Miiverse post?tongue

I just wanted to make the "point" pun.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:23:18 PM by Otherarrow

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#55982: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:21:32 PM

At the time, yes. He could also pull a "change them up a bit more" as well. The fact she was originally an alt means something could change.

This is why I think waiting for the game to come out is better since he constantly changes his mind these days. If she's nothing more than a clone on Pichu levels, so be it. If she's more, so be it. This is the same reason I don't consider everything in a demo final(because it's subject to change).

[up] Understandable. I tend to look at a lot of places to see the various opinions.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:22:47 PM by Irene

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#55983: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:25:52 PM

A question occurs to me:

Why were Riki and Dunban chosen for Shulk's final smash?

Don't get me wrong, I love both of them, and they form a solid core of my favorite teams in the game (alongside Melia, Seven, and occasionally Shulk). That said, Riki isn't exactly the companion with the greatest connection to Shulk himself, and his unique moves don't really matter in a cutscene Final Smash (and are used in his assist trophy anyway).

I guess I'm just kind of surprised. If you'd asked me who I thought they'd put in a Chain Attack final smash, I'd have said Reyn, and possibly Seven, if Seven weren't a walking spoiler on par with Porky. Dunban works in place of Seven, though.

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#55984: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:26:15 PM

And people also neglect to mention one thing about this game: Customization exists. Pretty much a built-in decloner right there in the game.

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#55985: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:26:56 PM

I admit, I just flat out forgot, sorry. ^^;;

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#55986: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:28:04 PM

[up]x4/5: My worry is that said interview was in a print magazine, and he might not back down on his word after that.

But regardless, I'm getting way too worked up about this. I need to stop using this thread as a stress outlet.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:28:44 PM by BaffleBlend

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Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#55987: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:28:21 PM

does that mean i can make my fast characters even faster? =O

...actually that just brings back memories of thrusting marth off stage and to his doom.

that happened way too many times.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55988: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:29:38 PM

Even if he doesn't, as said, customization. I'm not worried due to that alone~

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#55989: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:30:02 PM

Riki is the mascot, so of course he's the FS. Seven is a spoiler. Sharla is a healer. That leaves Reyn, Dunban, and Melia. Of those three Dunban does the quick slashing thing the best, so that's probably why he was chosen.

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#55990: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:30:10 PM

And people also neglect to mention one thing about this game: Customization exists. Pretty much a built-in decloner right there in the game.
I think that's because the Custom Characters are only for use with "For Friends" and the like (outside of local play), so people are assuming (I don't know if it was stated) that only the vanilla version of the characters will be used in the competitive scene.

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#55991: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:31:07 PM

[up]Exactly. I don't use things that will make me feel like I'm either cheating or wasting practice.

...which is why I'm so desperately hoping that Mii Fighters are somehow not banned.

edited 1st Sep '14 3:31:56 PM by BaffleBlend

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#55992: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:31:18 PM

A healer who can shoot people in the face.

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#55993: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:37:14 PM

Not to mention Riki/Dunban/Shulk being a bit broken, because

  • You fill the Party Gauge very quickly
  • And thus can use Chain Attacks to inflict a ton of debuffs...
  • Which leads into Riki using Say Sorry! to finish foes off.

Doubt that had anything to do with their choice, but it's still nice to note.

edited 1st Sep '14 4:35:00 PM by NesClassic

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#55994: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:42:21 PM

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#55995: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:43:55 PM

[up][up]It's possible that they knew. I mean, Palutena's Final Smash is based on a common KIU online multiplayer combo...

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#55996: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:48:11 PM

Heh. Reminds me of how, in Dissidia Final Fantasy, Bartz's super move was simply him using the most infamous game-breaking job combo.

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#55997: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:23:59 PM

I don't get why Lucina is meant to be weaker than Marth when we don't know any of their attack stats. Marth would only be guaranteed to be stronger in competitive play if he always lands perfect hits, which is never going to happen when you have a professional opponent who knows that you want to hit them with your sword tip and is actively working to prevent it. So it's somewhat easier to get in your hits correctly as Marth than it was in Brawl, then you just up Lucina's damage to compensate. I can see Lucina becoming more flexible than Marth since you won't be as dependent on getting your attacks at a specific moment and can thus focus your attention more on other things. Of course, even if all the tournament champions get perfect hits with Marth every time that doesn't actually matter, because they're less than one percent of the player base. The vast majority won't be nearly as reliable with Marth's strikes and thus Lucina will be a much more valid choice for them.

edited 1st Sep '14 4:25:09 PM by Druplesnubb

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#55998: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:28:29 PM

I'd much rather Lucina be a straight-out clone than just an alternative costume for Marth.

I'd rather not have the only two female Fire Emblem characters in the game not be actual characters.

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#55999: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:31:53 PM

... But by being an alternate costume she'd be a clone anyway, after all it would be the same character.

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