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paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#55851: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:01:54 AM

[up] That's exactly what I meant by "Stretching it"

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55852: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:02:18 AM

They were allowed to use the Kremlings in Smash. I think they do own King K. Rool.

I do remember that Donkey Kong 64 isn't on the VC due to Jetpac alone. I doubt Rare would care, but Microsoft is a lot more picky about this type of copyright stuff.(for the record, I don't really blame them all that much. Seeing your property on a system you don't own can be annoying if you don't get money for it) Not that I agree with them, but I understand the idea behind it.

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#55853: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:02:31 AM

Rotating character situation? Uh, we still have Ike. And Lucario.

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#55854: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:03:38 AM

[up][up]I wish Nintendo would make a royalty agreement with Microsoft already. Bargaining with Microsoft may not be a favorable option, but it's better than Rare's titles being Lost Forever.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:04:02 AM by BaffleBlend

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#55855: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:04:14 AM

[up][up]Yeah but chances are we aren't going to get Arvis or Hector or something. That's the point being made.

...;_;

edited 1st Sep '14 8:04:56 AM by Nap1100

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#55856: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:04:15 AM

I'm talking about them cutting Roy from Brawl. I also don't expect Lucina to stay for 5 although I'm guessing Marth, Ike, and Robin are here to stay.

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#55857: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:04:58 AM

I wonder who our Marth clone in Smash 5 will be!

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#55858: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:05:16 AM

Cutting Roy and Mewtwo have proven to be singular events, what with the "new guys" in Brawl sticking around today.

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#55859: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:05:29 AM

[up][up][up]Lucina will return for 5 BECAUSE nobody wants her back.

[up] Lucas, Wolf, Squirtle, and Ivysaur would like to have a word with you.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:08:26 AM by BaffleBlend

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#55860: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:06:15 AM

Part of me thinks we would have gotten Roy back if they hadn't already put effort into making a Lucina costume. I'm probably wrong, though.

By the way, our next Marth clone will obviously be King Marthmarthmarth.

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paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#55861: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:06:17 AM

Honestly, with how popular Awakening was, i can see them keeping the "My Unit" character around for future installments and keeping its default name "Robin" and just changing its role to fit the story.

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#55862: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:06:54 AM

Enlong: Ivysaur and Squirtle were cut from Brawl though.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#55863: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:08:11 AM

Ridley is the third biggest Nintendo villain. Meta Knight and Dedede aren't villains. Star Fox is too small for Wolf to count. Wario is more anti-hero these days. K. Rool lacked staying power. Pokemon and Fire Emblem have no reoccurring villains. He's very notable not only in the Metroid series, but also outside it as well. He's made appearances in every Smash game to date, and he was a boss in Nintendo Land as well. And as playable he'd be able to show off the agility he's known for, whereas a boss he has to stay still a lot so that the fighters can hit him. Ridley very much fits better as a fighter than as a boss.

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#55864: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:08:17 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Implying nobody likes Lucina.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:09:04 AM by FullMoon

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#55865: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:09:02 AM

[up]Nobody likes Marth except weaker Lucina.

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#55866: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:09:48 AM

I'm fine with it, Lucina has more justification to be a clone than Falco or Ganondorf do.

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#55867: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:10:16 AM

@Baffle Blend: We have yet to see them proven as gone. Squirtle and Ivysaur are the only ones easy to assume gone, without taking into account possible leaks. Snake is kind of hard to say.

Also, those aren't rotations anyway. Is anybody replacing the two(possible) cuts? If not, nobody is rotated in.

BTW, a lot of people are reporting Marth plays highly differently. If Lucina is like old Marth, then I love it. So yes... some people do, man. I would've picked Roy for a quick clone to return, but Lucina is awesome as a choice too.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:11:49 AM by Irene

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#55868: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:10:59 AM

[up][up]She was handled a lot more poorly than them, though. Sakurai confirmed that the only difference between her and Marth is that she's missing Marth's damage output.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:11:25 AM by BaffleBlend

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#55869: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:11:21 AM

Squirtle —> Greninja?

But nothing on Ivysaur. Unless we get Mewtwo or something.

edit:

[up] No, he said that her damage output is equalized along her attacking hitbox, rather than entirely concentrated at the tip.

So, she's better than Marth at fighting anywhere but the tip of the blade.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:12:48 AM by Enlong

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#55870: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:12:45 AM

And that's because she was originally an alternate costume. Would people complain too if she stayed like that?

... Probably, but whatever.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#55871: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:18:18 AM

marth was my fav in brawl and melee, so i'll probably like lucina.

strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#55872: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:19:23 AM

I'm still not calling Lucina a complete clone until I actually see all of her moves. Sakurai's only said the difference in their attacks is the blade properties. There's no proof every single attack is exactly the same.

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#55873: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:21:07 AM

Yeah, I could see her being made to be "old Marth". To a degree, anyway. I don't mind either way. I like having 4 FE characters myself. My only hope is she has some more differences than what it seems like. A different Final Smash would be nice, at least. I think until we see some gameplay, the amount of differences will be unknown. I do think he is implying they have the same moveset, with that wording, but I don't know if he actually means that.

Anyway, while it's neat Greninja (in practice only) took Squirtle's place, I don't know if it means we'll get a Grass type. Sakurai said he just liked his design. By this logic, I don't think he really was meant to be our "new Water guy" so much as "a kick-ass ninja frog I think is awesome-looking".

I want Sceptile too, but his actual statements does make me feel like Mewtwo is the most likely sixth Pokemon if we get one without DLC.

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#55874: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:21:47 AM

[up]x5: ...which means she's overall weaker. She's Marth's Pichu.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:22:15 AM by BaffleBlend

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#55875: Sep 1st 2014 at 8:21:53 AM

But if the blade properties are the only difference, that means there are no other differences.

So how can they not be otherwise the same?

[up] I disagree.

edited 1st Sep '14 8:22:10 AM by Enlong

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