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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#55726: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:03:45 PM

Golden Sun and Kid Icarus are tied for games, at least?tongue

But yeah. I admit, Dark Pit being a separate slot does seem like a headscrater moment for me, since he seems made to be "alt character alt". Like, as if that was his origin or something.

Also, his slot could have gone to like, Dr. Wario or something.tongue

edited 31st Aug '14 12:03:54 PM by Otherarrow

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Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#55727: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:04:15 PM

or ridley. he probably needs more than one spot, ya know?

DevilPsyco from The Underworld (pretty deep down in the ground) Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
#55728: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:05:20 PM

Dr. Wario fires mini farts instead of pills. evil grin

But seriously, if Dr. Mario and Dark Pit get in what would their Final Smash be?

EDIT: Yes! Ridley needs all the spots!

edited 31st Aug '14 12:05:43 PM by DevilPsyco

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#55729: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:05:52 PM

Well, no use fighting it, anyway, since we're just gonna buy it anyway. At least he comes with Duck Hunt Dog/Mr. Peepers.

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paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#55730: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:06:00 PM

The only way Ridley would take DP's slot is if Ridley was a Pit clone.

Which would honestly be hilarious just to watch the reactions to.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#55731: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:06:57 PM

[up][up] i see you've left the denial phase and moved onto acceptance.

good for you.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55732: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:07:23 PM

Well, Dark Pit is only unable to be told apart if they're both metal or invisible. That's why a different model altogether is needed, not just colors.

I don't mind his inclusion all that much(although I think Medusa being a semi-clone of Palutena with some snake-like moves as well as her staff would've been better), since it's still another character. DLC means many could come back, including all kinds of veterans, clones or otherwise. I'm okay with that, since I like pretty much them all int he end. Even my least favorite choices still make for a nice fun roster, imo. I found the first 3 really great choices(personal bias aside). 4, assuming that leak is the final version, doesn't apply any less to me.

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#55733: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:07:48 PM

[up][up]Like a wise man on Smashboards once said, "face it, Sakurai's got us by the balls".

edited 31st Aug '14 12:08:04 PM by BaffleBlend

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#55734: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:10:38 PM

Speaking of Alt character alts, do you think it would be possible for Ridley to be an alt of Charizard? They're both winged dragon things.

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#55735: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:12:44 PM

I doubt it. Their skeletal structure is too different, and they're not even from the same series.

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#55736: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:13:14 PM

Doubtful. It's an entirely different series and Ridley is getting in as a boss if he's not playable. It would also be a fuck you to all of his supporters.

DevilPsyco from The Underworld (pretty deep down in the ground) Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
#55737: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:14:10 PM

It'd be weird seeing as Charizard can hardly fly in Smash Bros and Ridley's almost all about flying.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#55738: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:15:51 PM

But don't you want to see Ridley use Rock Smash?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55739: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:16:19 PM

The different series bit might not matter, but they look way too different for it to work. This isn't a case where it'd easily work as an alt.

I could see a case where Sakurai gives someone an alt similar to another character as a pure reference, even if the body size is illogical. Like Captain Falcon having a Black Shadow-style costume.

edited 31st Aug '14 12:16:38 PM by Irene

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DevilPsyco from The Underworld (pretty deep down in the ground) Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
#55740: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:16:55 PM

[up][up]...That would be hilarious to see, actually.

edited 31st Aug '14 12:17:19 PM by DevilPsyco

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#55741: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:29:11 PM

On the subject of Ridley and Dr. Mario's Final Smashes?

Ridley- Zebesian Frenzy: Ridley summons a few Zebesians to assist him in battle, sending them into a crazed state with a mighty screech. They're all super-powerful and smart Assist Trophies, and have no issue recovering due to how incredibly high they can somersault. They're strong, have annoying lasers, and fast. What more could you want from an army?

Dr. Mario- Metal Dr. Mario: Dr. Mario swallows a MegaVitamin, becoming metallic. This differs from most Metal forms in that, for his Final Smash, he is immune to ALL knockback and damage. He also becomes three times as strong.

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#55742: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:30:05 PM

If Ridley is a clone of anyone, it'd be Captain Falcon. Ganondorf has shown you can't have too many Falcon clones.

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#55743: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:38:06 PM

*sigh* Falcondorf exists because Melee's development period was running out, and Captain Falcon was the only other character with a "macho" body structure. Changing him significantly on subsequent games would alienate the actually many people who play as him. See: FLUDD.

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KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
#55744: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:38:39 PM

[up]We could have avoided all this if Ganondorf was never included in Melee. It would be no different from not including Diddy Kong or Wario in Melee.

He's got the Dark Pit staff, so if anything he'll probably be this games Wolf (which also means people will bitch about him until he's cut in the next game, just like they did with Wolf.)

You know, when you think about it, it sounds really ridiculous and whiny of people to complain about the "mass amounts of similarities" Wolf has to Fox (and by that, I mean all of the 5-6 moves he actually has in common overall).

edited 31st Aug '14 12:39:48 PM by KSonik

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55745: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:39:46 PM

Although to be fair, Mario still plays similar even with FLUDD. He has almost all his earlier moves, just somewhat changed up. Ganondorf's small changes in Brawl still keeps his old playstyle somewhat intact.

Shadow?
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#55746: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:40:21 PM

I'd personally retain the magic brawler moveset but change the animations to be more Ganon-y.

For example, he pompously floats around instead of doing a silly jog.

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#55747: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:50:18 PM

Skipped a number of posts. Are people still talking about leak stuff in not the leak thread?

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#55748: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:50:57 PM

Mods have already shown it's definitely possible to have a magic brawler Ganondorf with a sword that's still familiar to Falcondorf.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#55749: Aug 31st 2014 at 1:14:30 PM

I don't see why including Dark Pit would be bad. From my understanding he started out as an alt and got promoted to his own character in Uprising. Bringing him back as a new character seems like the logical conclusion to me.

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#55750: Aug 31st 2014 at 1:17:48 PM

It would make sense if he was given different weapon types (other than Bow, Orbitargs, and Arm). His actual stats and abilities are equivalent to Pit's in Uprising.

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