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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#55701: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:41:34 AM

I couldn't care less about favouritism. I just dislike the idea of a character that's really hard to visually distinguish from another character.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#55702: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:41:37 AM

I think Dr. Mario might be an older Mario. His Melee [SMASH] trophy mentioned a "lack of exercise" is to blame for his lower speed.

edited 31st Aug '14 11:42:08 AM by BaffleBlend

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55703: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:42:22 AM

Wait, so if Doctor Mario is a different guy that means there are actually three Mario brothers with their primary colors being red, green, and white? Sakurai!!![lol]

[up][up]It does bring up the question of what Pit's alt would be since Dark Pit was the most obvious choice.

[up]That could just be a reference to him not running around through the Mushroom Kingdom like the other two do.

edited 31st Aug '14 11:43:51 AM by Kostya

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#55704: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:43:54 AM

@Otherarrow: Indeed he did. Of course, Mario Kart seems to ignore "same person being in a different slot" anyway, so I doubt he even cares at this point. I don't think it means anything for Smash, as the official reason Dr. Mario is playable is due to the fact he has different moves that aren't exactly the same properties as Mario's(just reskinned). Melee only.

Why he's like that in Smash 4 is not known just yet.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#55705: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:44:01 AM

I just dislike the idea of a character that's really hard to visually distinguish from another character.

They're really not that hard to tell apart, though. Pit has white feathers, brown hair, and a white tunic, whereas Dark Pit is all black like his SOUL.

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BloatedCreeper The One and Many from Area N Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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#55706: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:44:17 AM

[up][up][up] *Removes Sunglasses* Mother of God... it's genius!

edited 31st Aug '14 11:44:30 AM by BloatedCreeper

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#55707: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:44:29 AM

Also, when Sakurai revealed Lucina, he also noted that she was going to be just an alt for Marth, but then he decided to change up her properties a bit, implying that the concept of "alternate character alts" is indeed a thing.

Personally, I'd think that Dark Pit would be a shoe in for that, especially since, if I recall, in canon his only difference from Pit is his edgy attitude. They are identical in terms of abilities. Having him have his own character slot with different properties and such seems kinda...well, it defeats the point I feel.

Dr. Mario I can see getting the Lucina treatment, since, yeah, he already had different properties in Melee anyway.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#55708: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:45:26 AM

We have customizeable movesets and alternate costumes. Tatsunoko Vs Capcom already showed you can easily integrate a couple of different voice lines with "Silver Lightan". It irks me that certain characters have been their own slot in the past and may be again.

And I shall should my chorus from the heavens: DARK SAMUS! RIDLEY! ISAAC! ISA & KACHI! MEWTWO! IMPA! RAY! SCEPTILE! TAKAMARU!

Well, there's always Smash 5, assuming Nintendo ever gets there.

paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#55709: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:45:28 AM
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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#55710: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:48:40 AM

[up]Well, no use speculating about whether or not it's a good idea he'll be in. We're basically discussing damage control.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55711: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:50:36 AM

It might seem needlessly nitpicky but if he is a straight up clone it would still bug me since Sakurai could have made a different clone like Dixie or something to give Donkey Kong another spot. I'm sorry but Kid Icarus just doesn't need three characters no matter what way you look at it.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55712: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:50:42 AM

Personally, I'd think that Dark Pit would be a shoe in for that, especially since, if I recall, in canon his only difference from Pit is his edgy attitude.
Now that you put it like that, it makes me think that maybe this is actually the reason they were made into separate characters. It could be that their abilities are exactly the same, but the way they talk and maybe even the way they move would be entirely different, which, I have to admit, sounds like it actually has some fun potential. I could imagine that even people unfamiliar with the game would like playing matches of "Dorky Good Angel versus Haphazardly Edgy Angel".

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#55713: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:51:01 AM

People who cry about favoritism now obviously have never noticed that Sakurai recycles multiple things between different games of his. Like SSE being basically a Kirby game tongue

DevilPsyco from The Underworld (pretty deep down in the ground) Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
#55714: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:51:05 AM

You know, with around 50 characters it'll be very time consuming to complete Classic and All-Star Mode with all of them.

I can't wait! smile

edited 31st Aug '14 11:51:34 AM by DevilPsyco

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55715: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:54:51 AM

@Spooky: You'll have to explain that one to me. "People who complain about Sakurai's favoritism now have obviously never noticed his favoritism"?

[up] You know, for a Devil Psycho, you're pretty okay.

edited 31st Aug '14 11:55:20 AM by Fawriel

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#55716: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:55:35 AM

[up][up][up]Design choices =/= crossover representation.

edited 31st Aug '14 11:56:15 AM by BaffleBlend

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paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#55717: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:56:28 AM

Let alone he's FAAAAAR from the first developer to do so.

"The Wonderful 101 has Bayonetta characters in it AND uses a combo and grading system similar to it? BAYONETTA BIAS. "

edited 31st Aug '14 11:57:00 AM by paperbritt

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55718: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:58:01 AM

Not the same thing since Wonderful 101 wasn't intended to be a celebration of Platinum's history. Smash is that for Nintendo and while Uprising was a big deal Kid Icarus still isn't big enough to justify getting a third character over series like Metroid, DK, and Golden Sun getting representation.

DevilPsyco from The Underworld (pretty deep down in the ground) Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
#55719: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:58:51 AM

[up][up][up][up]Thank you for your kind words. smile However, I must inform you that, as the entence underneath my box points out, my name is Psyco, not Psycho. Psyco is a word in an alien language with a specific meaning, which I cannot share with you. I am perfectly sane! Honestly!

edited 31st Aug '14 11:59:49 AM by DevilPsyco

In the year 202X, all is devastation... Soon, any last shred of hope had by the saintliest optimist shall die and decay.
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#55720: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:59:13 AM

^^^^*shrugs*

edited 31st Aug '14 11:59:21 AM by SpookyMask

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#55721: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:59:45 AM

Is Golden Sun really bigger than Kid Icarus?

That's not a rhetorical question, for the record; I'm genuinely wondering. I've personally barely heard of it outside this thread.

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Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#55722: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:01:31 PM

i didnt realise kid icarus was big enough to warrant a comparison and for that comparison to be worth a damn.

golden sun is a pair of cult classics i guess? popular in their niche but 8/10 people dont seem to know of em.

edited 31st Aug '14 12:01:42 PM by Tarsen

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#55723: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:01:36 PM

[up][up]Well, it's at least a very successful Cult Classic and a part of a lot of our childhoods.

edited 31st Aug '14 12:02:06 PM by BaffleBlend

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55724: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:02:16 PM

Game designers are free to recycle their stuff as much as they want to for their own projects, but a lot of people would argue that Smash Bros isn't Sakurai's series as such, but rather Nintendo's series that Sakurai just happens to be the lead designer of, and those people (including me) think he could do a better job at giving even-handed representation to the various aspects of Nintendo.

He could do a much worse job, of course, but that doesn't mean he's exempt from criticism.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55725: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:02:16 PM

I wouldn't say bigger but it's had three games with all of them being considered at least good. Kid Icarus was just recently revived so I can see it getting another character but Golden Sun still not getting any would be one of the most glaring omissions in my mind.


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