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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#55526: Aug 29th 2014 at 8:39:10 PM

Sakurai's comments make me wonder if Shulk is Smash for's Sonic- Added in relatively late compared to the rest of the cast.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#55527: Aug 29th 2014 at 8:42:13 PM

Sounds more like they had to work to find a way for Shulk to work as a Smash character. I'm guessing the way Shuk does a lot of buffing and positioning moves in his own game was a bit of a trick to work out.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#55528: Aug 29th 2014 at 8:44:45 PM

Maybe Sakurai isn't used to making sword guys that aren't green or blue.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#55529: Aug 29th 2014 at 8:48:05 PM

[up]Hey now, let's be fair. Kirby uses a sword and he isn't green or blue. By default.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55530: Aug 29th 2014 at 8:49:30 PM

Yes, but Kirby uses it for one attack. I'm sure he means a person who is a major swordwielder, for most attacks.

Mii Swordsman kind of does break that mold, though. tongue

Shadow?
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#55532: Aug 29th 2014 at 8:52:15 PM

Yes, but Kirby uses it for one attack. I'm sure he means a person who is a major swordwielder, for most attacks.

...Yeah. Yes, I'm aware. I was joking.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#55533: Aug 29th 2014 at 8:53:52 PM

Metal Face should fight Megaman. They would have interesting opinions about each other.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#55534: Aug 29th 2014 at 9:18:36 PM

Updated with Shulk

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#55535: Aug 29th 2014 at 10:31:10 PM

So, what I find interesting about Shulk is that the Xeno series was a Monolith Soft title, and the company was then purchased by Nintendo. So it shows that they're willing to include characters from franchises that weren't CREATED by Nintendo, just acquired. In addition to actual third parties, of course, but they're guest fighters and Shulk isn't.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#55536: Aug 29th 2014 at 10:38:47 PM

I mean, if we're being technical, everyone officially responsible for the games likes to pretend Xenogears, Xenosaga and Xenoblade are TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU GUYS.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#55537: Aug 29th 2014 at 10:39:39 PM

I thought the Xeno series was like Final Fantasy?

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#55538: Aug 29th 2014 at 10:40:12 PM

Xenoblade is a completely new series though. Beside part of the title it has no connection to Xenosaga or the like.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#55539: Aug 29th 2014 at 10:43:22 PM

Aside from the Xeno- name and that they were all developed by MONOLITH, they're totally unrelated to each other. Xenosaga originally was planned to be a distant prequel to Xenogears, but that ultimately fell through, especially once they had to chop the length of the series in half.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55540: Aug 29th 2014 at 11:53:28 PM

Does that explain the discrepancy between what I expected and what I got? I know very little about the Xeno series, but I thought I heard Xenogears being a serious and philosophical game, while Shulk seems pretty... campy.

Out of curiosity, what's the Japanese name of Shulk's trailer? Is it also the "we're screwed" battle line?

Or does it just say "Shulk joins the battle" or something?

It's what I assume is the Japanese equivalent of "looks like we have no choice!": "Odayaka ja nai desu yo!", which is a little hard to translate without knowledge of the context but I think means something like "this one's not peaceful", as in "this monster is not going to let us pass without a fight".note

Which of course lends credence to the idea that the English title is just a lucky and yet kind of sad coincidence.

edited 29th Aug '14 11:57:44 PM by Fawriel

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#55541: Aug 30th 2014 at 12:08:00 AM

Does that explain the discrepancy between what I expected and what I got? I know very little about the Xeno series, but I thought I heard Xenogears being a serious and philosophical game, while Shulk seems pretty... campy.
This is all second-hand info, so take it with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that Xenoblade is, while less morally complicated than its predecessors, still has some degree of complexity to it.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#55542: Aug 30th 2014 at 12:29:19 AM

xenoblade has nothing to do with xenogears outside of having "xeno" in the name and being made by monolith soft (which has people who worked on xenogears). xenoblade on the whole is a pretty cheery, campy jrpg, even with the occasional "dark" moments.

edited 30th Aug '14 12:38:03 AM by wehrmacht

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#55543: Aug 30th 2014 at 12:40:40 AM

Xenogears Disc One: Fairly cheerful; plenty of dark points, but no more than is usual for a Squaresoft RPG.

Xenogears Disc Two: OH MY GOD, THAT IS THE MOST DEPRESSING GAME I HAVE EVER PLAYED.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55544: Aug 30th 2014 at 1:02:01 AM

I'm quite sure it wouldn't be the most depressing game I've ever played, but I am pretty curious now...

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#55545: Aug 30th 2014 at 1:18:43 AM

Live A Live is barely depressing at all compared to what Xenogears does. Any details would spoil too much.

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Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#55546: Aug 30th 2014 at 1:20:55 AM

are we really going to get in a pissing contest over which game was more depressing? :V

christ, you guys...

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#55547: Aug 30th 2014 at 1:21:44 AM

Wait, we were locked in a bitter argument? I never noticed.

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Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55549: Aug 30th 2014 at 1:30:17 AM

All I know is that Live-A-Live was all fun and games until the penultimate chapter drove me into an existential crisis that literally made me go up to my parents and ask if it's really all worth it at all, so the ball's in Xenogears' court. tongue

Granted, that was a while back, so maybe my cold, battle-hardened heart would see things differently now.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#55550: Aug 30th 2014 at 1:31:28 AM

You were able to play that game as a child?

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