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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#55401: Aug 29th 2014 at 12:44:24 PM

Get the character right? Alright. Get the artwork and gameplay right? ...Nah, just a lucky guess.

edited 29th Aug '14 12:44:53 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#55402: Aug 29th 2014 at 12:46:26 PM

So anyone up for writing some Kid Icarus codecs for Shulk? Because I've got nothing, having not played Xenoblade.

Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Ghosts N' Stuff Remix
#55403: Aug 29th 2014 at 12:46:52 PM

Look, excuse me for being skeptical. Also, Shulk's render looks like...his render in the game he is from, Xenoblade Chronicles. Remember what happens when you assume.

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#55404: Aug 29th 2014 at 12:47:37 PM

Why are people automatically assuming that just because Shulk was revealed, the leak is real? Shulk has been a popular character for "dream team" lineups ever since the ball got rolling on Smash 4.
Two things:

The main thing that was to disprove the leak was whether or not the art in the leak matched the official art once that was revealed. The leak's art matched the official render.

The other thing was the fact that Shulk's gameplay was shown in a leaked gameplay video before said video was taken down.

So now, the leak has a lot more credence that it's an actual leak and not faked. Hence the reaction.

edited 29th Aug '14 12:48:33 PM by Customer

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55405: Aug 29th 2014 at 12:55:09 PM

Yeah, saw the gameplay, it's real.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#55406: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:06:04 PM

Cool. Let's dicuss it in the leak thread.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55407: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:08:41 PM

Yeah, especially in light of that fact. The fact of its factuality.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#55408: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:09:10 PM

True fact.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#55409: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:09:29 PM

I know for a fact that this is the wrong thread to discuss it, so...

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#55410: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:13:21 PM

How do you guys think the competitive viability of 4 will be? Will it finally be a suitable successor? Because I hear a lot of calls of "Brawl 2.0" from people who were disappointed by the Best Buy build.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55411: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:14:33 PM

How long before the roundtable at PAX starts? Another reveal is possible. Could be one of the last two clones, could another regular veteran, or a full newcomer.

edited 29th Aug '14 1:14:47 PM by Irene

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#55412: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:15:00 PM

I'll not have an answer until I have the final product myself.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#55413: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:16:35 PM

We basically won't really know until after the game's released and people have had time to take it to the lab. Considering the game has had updates that seem to be skewed towards the competitive players (as well as updates since that build of the game), I think that it'll likely get into that scene eventually.

I don't think that playing a demo for a short amount of time is enough to really get a bead on how the game will play at release, but that's just me.

edited 29th Aug '14 1:17:21 PM by Customer

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#55414: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:18:06 PM

How many more characters does Nintendo have left (as in not revealed) in this game? We've already exceeded Brawl's roster.

they must have a lot more characters as unlockable fighters in the game.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55415: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:18:14 PM

Should be okay. It will have a competitive scene (even Brawl had one), and competitive players at the invitational tournament were mostly okay with it, had some substantial complaints and had those complaints actually noted down by Nintendo staff. Especially considering the context of Nintendo holding a competitive tournament for their upcoming game in the first place, they really seem to have realized the value of a hardcore competitive crowd backing your franchise and are likely to listen to criticism that would risk them falling out of favor with that part of the fanbase.

nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Let's dance, boys!
#55416: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:19:23 PM

Obligatory Pit codec go:

Pit: Hey Palutena, why is there kanji suddenly popping up behind that guy?

Palutena: Oh, I see you're fighting Shulk now. Yeah, that happens when you fight him on occasion.

Pit: Any particular reason why that is?

Palutena: The kanji displays a Monado art. It's the laser sword he's carrying, and the arts are its power. His arts powers him up in one area but weakens him in another.

Pit: Really? One sword does all of that?

Palutena: Yeah, and it also allow him to see into the future.

Pit: Whoa.... So he'll know every attack I can do before I do it to him?

Palutena: In theory yes. He might have even known that you'd ask for my help right now.

Pit: So I'm fighting a guy who can see the future and has a sword that strengthens him. At the very least, do we know what the kanji say?

Palutena: No idea. My knowledge of Chinese characters are.... limited to say the very least. Sorry, Pit, I'm afraid you're alone on that department.

Pit: -groans-

edited 29th Aug '14 1:34:49 PM by nigelstack345

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#55417: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:19:51 PM

From what I've understood, for is a faster Brawl, and since Brawl's main weakness, Meta Knight aside, was being a bit slow, it'll probably see a fairly good competitive scene.

I sure said that!
BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#55418: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:23:17 PM

I think Buster-mode Shulk is going to be at least A-tier. His weakness to balance out the higher damage output is lower knockback, but... lower knockback means higher combo ability. And when he needs knockback, he can shift into Smash-mode.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#55419: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:24:09 PM

[up]He does appear to be hurt in the range department though. All of his Buster attacks didn't show the laser blade.

[up][up][up]She sure doesn't know her Japanese characters. That's Chinese.

edited 29th Aug '14 1:28:01 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#55420: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:31:02 PM

[up] Kanji is Chinese characters.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55421: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:31:07 PM

powerpuffbats: So far we have 38 characters. That's one less than Brawl's roster and that's not counting characters that are pretty much guaranteed to return like Falco, Ganon, Jigglypuff, and Game and Watch.

There was also that image posted of what appears to be the starting roster. It includes every character revealed so far save Lucina and Mii Fighters. If that's really the starting roster then we're definitely getting 50+.

edited 29th Aug '14 1:31:34 PM by Kostya

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#55422: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:32:35 PM

@Pulse: Welllll, saying that being slow was its main problem competitively is kind of underselling it, I think. Brawl being slow as molasses is the reason I can't play Toon Link in it because I only ever end up using the down-stab in order to land, but as far as I understand, Brawl being a terrible competitive game is more about the lack of combos and hitstun resulting in a game of rolling around until someone dares to throw a punch.

The final match of the invitational did show signs of that, but as I said, they talked to Nintendo about their issues, and it did already look a lot smoother.

[up] Where was that posted?

edited 29th Aug '14 1:37:19 PM by Fawriel

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#55423: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:33:51 PM

[up][up][up]Huzzah! I learned something today!

edited 29th Aug '14 1:34:06 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55424: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:37:52 PM

[up][up]It came from some kind of Japanese video. I forget who posted it but it was earlier in the thread.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#55425: Aug 29th 2014 at 1:41:32 PM

If my understand is right, 翔 (Jump) is an outdated variant of 跳ぶ (とぶ) which means "to jump."

疾 (Speed) might be 疾走 (しっそう) meaning "sprint."

盾 (Shield), read as たて, means exactly that.

斬 (Buster), read as ざん, is an obscure word meaning "beheading." There are other words that kanji is a part of but they all mean roughly the same thing.

撃 (Smash) might be 攻撃 (こうげき) meaning "attack, strike, offensive."

edited 29th Aug '14 1:45:09 PM by Zelenal

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