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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#54801: Aug 24th 2014 at 8:59:23 PM

I guess you could assume that screenshots are from test version with unfinished UI, but that would be bizarre considering how UI seems to be much different from E3 one <_<

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#54802: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:00:37 PM

Regarding the music discussion, I'm really liking Full Steam Ahead. Never played Spirit Tracks, but damn that's a nice song. That intro makes me think on another video game song, though I can't recall which one.

edited 24th Aug '14 9:09:06 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#54803: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:03:10 PM

One thing that's notable is absolutely no exact picture could be found for the CSS. They're all different poses. So if they did fake that part, which is very much possible, they'd have to have done it a fairly long time ago, taking each image, redraw it, and set it up just right.

We can't really judge the placement of each character since Melee even managed to muck it up. Pikachu had a very odd placement before, after all. But the thing is, even if that's the final placement, it's not severely illogical. Yoshi should be after Rosalina and Bowser Jr., but the dinosaur is still highly associated with the Mario series, especially since most of the games involve those characters. Wario is not to the same degree, as Wario Land and Wario Ware both have its own set of unique characters while barely interacting with the regular Mario ones. The first Wario Land, sure. And there's some cameos of many series, but the playables and major appearance characters are Wario-series characters. As for the weird placement of Lucina, those were probably all far later clones, put in the near last area right before the 3rd parties. The Xeno series was owned by Namco, so Shulk next to Pac-Man is not severely weird.

For the record, I do think it looks fairly ugly and the character placement could use improvement. But I do like the choices.

Shadow?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54804: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:05:34 PM

[up][up]If you like Full Steam Ahead, try listening to Spirit Tracks' final boss theme. It's a boss remix of that.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#54805: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:09:03 PM

The "clone corner" is one of my biggest issues with the CSS. Even if the roster is incomplete, it still looks to be an intentional act that all the clones have been put in their own little section very much removed from their respective franchises. For us fans who think in terms like "clones" and "slots" it's sensible, but for a developer like Sakurai it comes off as surprising and practically out-of-character.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#54806: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:17:56 PM

Holy crap, the Wily Stage part of that MM 2 medley is incredible. I'm honestly fighting back tears listening to it. God, I can't wait to hear the complete medley and, y'know, without sound effects.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#54807: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:19:39 PM

It's only for the last-minute clones. Toon Link, probably Falco and Ganondorf, they all are far more changed up from the original. The others are probably near identical with some changes, like Dr. Mario having the Dr. Tornado, and Dark Pit having gliding, and some slightly different moves.

Shadow?
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#54808: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:22:07 PM

Leeeet's not assume that

Besides, it'd still be rather crude way to do it <_<

MetaflarePrime Urara-lala~! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Urara-lala~!
#54809: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:23:00 PM

You know, considering that Dark Pit is in the animated Palutena clip, I'm fairly certain that if he's a playable character, he wouldn't be "Last Minute"

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#54810: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:28:24 PM

[up][up][up]I'd like to think the CSS is not designed like a push-pop stack. That just sounds so....basic and unorganized. You'd be better off with freaking Java buttons.

edited 24th Aug '14 9:30:10 PM by Watchtower

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#54811: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:36:47 PM

Well, Sakurai's wife designs the CSS. Who knows.

Also, again, may not be the final roster. The last picture we got might be a "locked all-star button", which shows that there's more to unlock. It opens up when you have them all. What I want to know is why the ERSB would be shown an incomplete roster, unless they weren't and we were only shown most of the roster, while they had multiple videos, including of some characters being unlocked.(I feel it's a stretch, but who knows)

And I agree with putting last-minute clones near the end is a logical choice(not that I think it looks good, which is a different thing), since they aren't planned very early on. Lucina pretty much was a later character overall, as Sakurai said himself. It doesn't make sense to put Dark Pit and Dr. Mario there unless they were either A) Upgraded alts and/or B) Were only slightly different from the original like Lucina specifically is.

That said, if there's more to come, I really hope the actual roster not just looks better, but has a better character placement.

Shadow?
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#54812: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:36:56 PM

[up][up][up]Also- Wouldn't he have gotten a notice alongside Palutena, like Lucina did with Robin?

edited 24th Aug '14 9:37:35 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
CapedLuigisYoshi Some Gal from right here, duh Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Some Gal
#54813: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:47:40 PM

There's also the fact of Yoshi (who is considered to be of a separate series from Mario and company) cutting off Rosalina from the rest of the Mario-series characters.

a.k.a. Cly, that one girl who doesn't post here much anymore Something something YI = SMW 2 = SMB 5.
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#54814: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:51:40 PM

Guess what has already been SLAM JAMMED!!

With a bit of another song mixed in to change it up a bit.

Man, Botanical Sage is a genius. I hope this hasn't already been linked.

edited 24th Aug '14 9:54:21 PM by wanderlustwarrior

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#54815: Aug 24th 2014 at 9:53:24 PM

My question is that if the screenshots are really from ESRB video(because ESRB does not fricking play the games they rate, they don't have time for that), why the heck they would showcase new characters like Shulk specifically?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#54816: Aug 24th 2014 at 10:19:25 PM

Hype? Proof it's more than just a simple screen? Almost every character can be seen or easily modded into Brawl stuff(Dr. Mario and Dark Pit especially). Using someone with zero screenshots since they haven't been revealed makes it very hard to debunk. Duck Hunt Dog and Shulk are the two best choices to showcase.

Shadow?
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#54817: Aug 24th 2014 at 10:20:51 PM

It's equally hard to prove as disprove. I say we wait.

I have a message from another time...
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#54818: Aug 24th 2014 at 10:34:36 PM

Wouldn't he have gotten a notice alongside Palutena, like Lucina did with Robin?

I wouldn't call that a concrete rule.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#54820: Aug 24th 2014 at 10:39:37 PM

That's a good question, since it never occurs to anyone.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54825: Aug 24th 2014 at 10:57:42 PM

WHAT IS IT WE'RE DOING HERE GUYS?

edited 24th Aug '14 11:00:57 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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