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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#54051: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:59:48 AM

Dr. Mario had different properties from Mario in Melee. Even with the changes to Mario, the Doctor would still have the Megavitamins, and he may still have the Doctor Tornado as a Special Move (while Mario would have FLUDD).

[up] Her main difference is that she lacks Marth's tipper.

edited 20th Aug '14 11:00:43 AM by Folt

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CapedLuigisYoshi Some Gal from right here, duh Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#54052: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:00:03 AM

See, I don't believe the "leak" primarily because of the Duck Hunt duo, since they wouldn't be called just "Duck Hunt". It'd be "Duck Hunt Duo" or "Duck & Dog" or, even if you were going by my earlier joke of the dog being named "Hunt", it would be "Duck & Hunt". Not just the name of the game. (Also I do not believe for a minute that a newcomer character duo would have priority over the veteran Ice Climbers.)

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#54053: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:03:58 AM

Dr. Mario was always different gameplay-wise. He never had a chance to be an alt. That's honestly what makes it a very believable roster. Him being an alt is actually a point against rosters ultimately. Sakurai made that clear before that he made Dr. Mario a clone because he views them as separate gameplay characters. Lucina was added later. Dr. Mario very likely was too. An alt doesn't cut it with someone like him, since the Megavitamins were not one of Mario's Custom specials.

Honestly, I either expect him to not be playable as is(and of course not an alt), or he'll be playable. There's no middle ground with a different functioning character.

The only real alts I expect are Ms. Pac-Man, Blood Falcon(more differentiated), and Daisy(more differentiated). I'm not sure if the last two will be better differentiated, though. I think Galacta Knight has a fair chance as an alt, however. Does he have a different shape from Meta Knight in his model/sprite? If not, no point in making him anything but an alt.

[up] That duo is likely to be closer to Rosalina & Luma or Olimar & Pikmin. Ice Climbers still have not been shown, so them not being able to be playable due to programming problems is a possibility. Duck Hunt is an odd name, but there is no official name for the Dog or the Ducks. Calling it by the name of the game is reasonable enough, and being both characters, it kind of works. Ice Climber is the Japanese name of the Ice Climbers too. Despite being two characters. There's enough evidence to show that name is not impossible. We'd need a retro replacement, and somebody from a well known old game is not hard to believe anyway. Plus, IC's are apparently supposed to be dlc, so the issue is solved. Once they fix them properly. Likewise, if they're giving trouble, concentrating on easier-to-implement characters instead of them is a very smart move.

edited 20th Aug '14 11:07:39 AM by Irene

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#54054: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:05:45 AM

For the record: I do not believe in the leak. I just think Dr. Mario as a roster choice isn't as farfetched as it may seem.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54055: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:06:02 AM

[up][up] Neither of those are my point. It would be backsliding, specifically, in Dr. Mario's case because he was a character who was already removed by the devs for being a clone. This makes his return unique after Sakurai's own comments, more so than a regular clone character who already has returned coming back a third time (including Young Link in that, but even if you don't it's still just consistency, especially given how popular Toon Link was) or a character initially designed as an alternate costume that they spontaneously opted to make their own character during development.

[down] That's not my point. I never said he shouldn't return.

edited 20th Aug '14 11:08:10 AM by KnownUnknown

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#54056: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:07:25 AM

And why not? If Dr. Mario plays different from Mario, then I see no reason not to let him return.

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CapedLuigisYoshi Some Gal from right here, duh Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#54057: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:07:43 AM

[up][up][up][up] Well, Galacta Knight's wings are always present, for one, and he had a lance and a shield instead of a sword or cape.

edited 20th Aug '14 11:08:05 AM by CapedLuigisYoshi

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#54058: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:09:14 AM

The fact that the screen doesn't have Ice Climbers is still pretty damning though. I find it hard to believe they'd be cut and I doubt they'd be locked at the start. They were available from the start in the other two games.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#54059: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:11:48 AM

We don't know why he was removed by the developers at all(never stated).

Being a clone is possible, but then there's Mewtwo. He was more likely low priority over the newer and more interesting guys.

And backsliding? Sakurai liked Dr. Mario in the first place. He has extra time for a few extra characters, but not enough to properly finish Lucas/Wolf/Ice Climbers/Snake. Dr. Mario was actually a very good clone(to the point of currently being rated higher than Mario on the tier list) and people did like him too, notably. I'm not seeing the issue. Sakurai has a blatant bias with these things. Just like Dark Pit being playable(if the leak is real, of course). He loves the hell out of Uprising, which has more content than most others single games(only other one could be argued is Pokemon Gen 1, and only because you can get all 151 Pokemon and Poke Balls in any single game. There were no other games to show off during 64 anyway)

[up] No it isn't. Sakurai has yet to state he was able to fix the Ice Climbers. And being unlockable is always possible. Patterns aren't good proof honestly.

[up][up] Ah, thanks. So that would require a model difference at best. Maybe it could be an alt, but if they're different enough, an Assist Trophy/Stage Hazard works too.

edited 20th Aug '14 11:13:28 AM by Irene

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#54060: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:14:07 AM

I vaguely remember something about Dr. Mario only being in Melee so Sakurai could use the Dr. Mario music and was too visually different to be made a costume. Don't remember what happened to that.

One of the big issues I have with the leak roster is Lucina, Dark Pit, and Dr. Mario being tucked all the way in the corner away from their respective franchises. It only makes sense from a fan splitting the clones off.

edited 20th Aug '14 11:18:30 AM by Watchtower

beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#54061: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:14:07 AM

. Duck Hunt is an odd name, but there is no official name for the Dog or the Ducks. Calling it by the name of the game is reasonable enough, and being both characters, it kind of works. Ice Climber is the Japanese name of the Ice Climbers too. Despite being two characters.

But in the latter case, you could assume that it's just referring to the single Ice Climber that you actually control. Nobody is a "Duck Hunt".

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#54063: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:17:59 AM

[up][up] Nope, it's the name of the game itself. Assumptions don't mean much, though. Also, not everybody knows you only truly control one Ice Climber anyway. It's a bit of a stretch. The English version makes it clear you have two, but the Japanese version is pretty much identical to the actual game name.

I actually think naming it after the game is better than using unofficial names.

Naming schemes really don't matter with Sakurai. He's a strange man at times. I mean, "Toon" Link doesn't exist as a real name. He's officially called Link in all Zelda material, no matter what game. He made that up just for Smash. Same with the Mr. in Mr. Game & Watch. I can honestly see it. Now, if it was a really dumb name, yeah, blatant fake. I would prefer Dog & Ducks myself, but it's not blatantly too unrealistic at this point, when it was done before.

[up] I laughed.

edited 20th Aug '14 11:25:12 AM by Irene

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#54064: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:20:08 AM

The three things No E does:

  • Delay games.
  • Withhold information about delayed games.
  • Troll.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#54066: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:31:34 AM

[up] Somebody seriously needs to make an image of MK designed like a Nerf(the brand) model.

I would love him to have a Palette Swap based upon that too.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#54068: Aug 20th 2014 at 11:56:43 AM

Gonna try to skim the Pacman stuff for information...

Apparently his side-special where he transforms into classic ball-Pacman involves making power pellets appear and pursuing them in the ball form.

His down-special is the fire hydrant, which, if I understand correctly, doesn't inflict damage but does push enemies. If used in the air, it falls and does inflict damage. As you can appreciate, one of the customizations makes it explode upon impact with the ground. Another makes it spit fire, which can hurt Pacman as well if he's not careful.

I vaguely remember that his neutral-special was already explained before, but anyway, how long you hold the button pressed changes not only what appears and its power, but also the way it's thrown (trajectory?).

His Final Smash is surprisingly interesting if I'm understanding this correctly. Characters he ate... apparently turn into a form where they're only eyes (okay I'm really not sure about this, it might just be an expression I fail to get), upon which they become very easy to blow away with a single hit.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#54069: Aug 20th 2014 at 12:00:32 PM

You can attack the Hydrant towards enemies for it to be a heavy projectile attack.

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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#54070: Aug 20th 2014 at 12:05:38 PM

[up][up]Welp. Sounds like Nightmare Fuel already.

(also it kinda dents G&W's chances, since he has no eyes to begin with0

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#54071: Aug 20th 2014 at 12:08:59 PM

Another makes it spit fire, which can hurt Pacman as well if he's not careful.

"Aren't those things supposed to shoot water?"

"Of course not! Then it would be called a water hydrant!"

<gets set on fire > "Uh... do we have one of those?"

edited 20th Aug '14 12:09:22 PM by KnownUnknown

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#54072: Aug 20th 2014 at 12:09:45 PM

The obviouser thing about that for Game&Watch is that he'll get stock eyes when he gets hit by Pac Man's Final Smash.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54073: Aug 20th 2014 at 12:42:28 PM

[up][up]The joke doesn't really transfer from "fire truck" to "fire hydrant", though, since "fire hydrant" means "something that hydrates fire, thus extinguishing it". Whereas "fire truck" is ambiguous as to whether it causes or responds to fire.

But a Darkwing Duck reference gets an A+ in my book.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#54074: Aug 20th 2014 at 1:32:43 PM

Guys, I don't want to believe the leak, but the pic for the Tomodachi stage in the leak pics somehow match the Famitsu pic, despite the article just barely coming out...

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#54075: Aug 20th 2014 at 1:35:08 PM

Pretty sure we've seen that room before.

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