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Tatsumar Since: Mar, 2011
#53876: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:54:34 PM

I would really like a trailer that has Ness fighting Duck Hunt.

Perhaps that's why Ness's reveal has been delayed so long, just like Falcon was getting hype fighting Lucina and Robin?

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#53877: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:57:14 PM

More◊ fuel◊ for◊ fire.◊

(Last one is hella fishy though. I don't believe anything until I see rendered models but it's cool.)

The last one is absurd and a good reason to disbelieve the entire thing, provided they all come from the same place

Mr. Game and Watch's hand is clipping into Wario's square in the very first picture posted on this leak.

That might just be Wario's shoulders?

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#53878: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:57:28 PM

Splitting up the Nintendo characters and the Mii Fighters seems very curious...

Also, why make downloadable content out of old characters? Seems so unfair...

And this: "Sadly, we had to trim out many great concepts just to keep within the time constraints. I had a lot more characters, for example.. but sadly I can't discuss which ones didn't make it" ...is very saddening. I wonder why he can't tell which ones.

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FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#53879: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:57:43 PM

Mr. Game and Watch isn't clipping into Wario's art. The dark spot on the Wario icon is Wario's shoulder.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#53880: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:57:50 PM

Nope, someone zoomed into the picture and found out it's Mr. Game and Watch's hand. I did that as well, and can confirm this.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53881: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:58:38 PM

I doubt he'd cut a bunch of Brawl characters only to bring them back as DLC. I could see him doing that for the Melee cuts but not Brawl characters.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53882: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:59:32 PM

Yep, it's Wario's shoulders. I looked at it closely. I edited my earlier post, but meh. Also, the hand where it "would" clip does not match the colors of Wario's shoulders(which are all colored in a specific pattern). There was never any clipping from the image I looked at.

Anyway, time constraints would make it so some characters couldn't be finished on time. Which explains the quick clones to give us a decent-sized roster.(just be glad Pichu isn't there)

DLC is not that hard to believe, especially those. Snake is strange, though... wouldn't it make sense to do it right away? I doubt Kojima would mind, however.

[up] Same reason for cutting Melee ones. Time constraints.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:03:15 PM by Irene

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#53883: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:02:52 PM

@Fawful Crump: I panicked and just about fainted until I saw the date of that article.

Anyway, I don't believe the "leak" for a second. I mean why the hell bring back Dr. Mario but not Mewtwo? Along with it generally being messy.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:03:36 PM by BaffleBlend

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
ukokira Since: May, 2012
#53885: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:06:50 PM

The problem with the Duck Hunt Dog is that it's not even named "Duck Hunt Dog" Just "Duck hunt" Hell Mr Game And Watch got Mr added.

Tatsumar Since: Mar, 2011
#53886: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:09:04 PM

Perhaps the Ducks are just as important as the Dog in the group?

Maybe like some weird form of the Ice Climbers?

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#53887: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:09:38 PM

...still, though, the cynic in me warns me it might have merit... I hope the cynic in me is wrong...

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#53888: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:10:24 PM

For the DLC bit, you guys are overlooking the usual problem: Who would be in a position to know that? The "leaker" doesn't seem like they work at Nintendo, nevermind have access to future plans

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53889: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:11:24 PM

Characters have updated and various looks among each game. We can't discount he'd be somewhat different.

And since when was Mewtwo guaranteed? Pretty sure he never was. Time constraints, Sakurai didn't care as much as he did like in Melee/Brawl(and he felt Jigglypuff was a better addition in 64 too), who knows. Even DLC might be why, being that others were more important/higher priority. Dr. Mario takes the least amount of time, same with Lucina and Dark Pit. Doing those fast over one character helps pad the roster. And boom, finish the rest for DLC and more are happy.

[up] I do agree that is suspicious. But I also don't see why they'd explain their "way they got this leak" either. Makes it easier to spot a fake.

For the record, I do think this set of images are fake due to the bad quality and Yoshi placement. And the DLC being on 4chan, I'm unsure. Lots of real leaks for things have been there before(especially Yugioh lists), so... yeah.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:13:10 PM by Irene

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#53890: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:13:08 PM

[up]Dr. Mario is still The Scrappy, so I would genuinely be upset if he returned over one of my mains. Lucina's headed in the same direction.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:15:20 PM by BaffleBlend

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Strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#53891: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:14:48 PM

With who? I'm not seeing much hate for her.

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#53892: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:16:12 PM

[up]With anyone pissed off that she doesn't even have slightly different stats than Marth. The only difference between the two is one hitbox. That's confirmed.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:16:46 PM by BaffleBlend

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FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#53893: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:17:51 PM

I see the Ness thing as a reason to be skeptical, but not as something damning.

Really, I think the biggest thing that makes me lean toward fake is the stage selection. Is there even one "new" one that doesn't recycle assets? What's up with the stage that's basically Brawl Yoshi's Island with a different background?

I still think it could go either way, though.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#53894: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:18:01 PM

[up][up][up]Theoretically it would be because the justification given for her outright opens the floodgates for more "last-minute" clones, which would go on to bloat up the roster, confuse people as to why they were implemented over more unique characters in the first place, and overall indicate that we learned nothing from Melee.

...Theoretically.

[up]I think I see a Dream Land stage on the left side. The stage select as a whole does seem way too cluttered, though.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:22:02 PM by Demonfly

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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#53895: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:18:09 PM

Lucina being a clone is such an insult.

HERE'S YOUR FIRE EMBLEM FEMALE...BUT SHE A CLONE!

Lyn was supposed to be the one.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#53896: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:18:22 PM

There is no way they're having DLC fighters. It'd wreck balance something fierce if you can't assume that every player has all the characters (unlike if they were merely unlockable)

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#53897: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:18:28 PM

Edit: IGNORE ME!

edited 19th Aug '14 8:19:02 PM by ultimatepheer

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53898: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:20:00 PM

YMMV exists for a reason. I love Dr. Mario. And I've seen quite a few fans too. Pichu gets far more hate because he sucks.

Sorry, but since when does Sakurai listen to that kind of stuff anyway? He wanted Dr. Mario in twice, and a third time is not hard to believe at all. These are seriously poor reasons at this point. The only reason Dr. Mario won't be in is if someone else gets there first and that's it. And he won't be an alt because he's different from Mario moveset-wise. Just let it go, man. I'm honestly expecting him at this point. Lucina didn't surprise me. Dark Pit is not unlikely, thanks to easily modifiable models.

Likewise, he only technically is, along with Falco, Ganondorf, Young Link, Toon Link, Luigi, etc. It's only Pichu that is currently listed as a Scrappy, and all clones period. Reread the page if you don't believe me. It's a clone thing, not a Dr. Mario thing. Plus, Dr. Mario has some of the most unique differences from Mario, with only Ganondorf similar to that. They have fairly different move designs, being unique colors and models for their attacks. Falco, Pichu, Young Link, and Roy barely went that far. Roy has fire, but that was it.

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#53899: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:20:48 PM

Hopefully Lucina will stick around for SSB 5 and get de-cloned by then. Even if it's a full moveset overhaul.

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#53900: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:21:43 PM

[up][up]Every rebalancing project I've seen has given Mario some of Dr. Mario's stats considering he's literally the same guy in a different outfit.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:22:15 PM by BaffleBlend

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