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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#53851: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:15:35 PM

Shulk is with the third party characters despite being a Nintendo property

Now, that's a little unfair, given that G-Dubs was the same way in Brawl.

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#53852: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:18:13 PM

Es muy falso.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53853: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:19:19 PM

Mii Fighters are the new Multi-Man members. I wouldn't be surprised if you had to do something in that mode to unlock them.

Also, turning Customization off might actually make them disappear, as noted above.

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Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#53854: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:21:02 PM

Something about that Falco looks weird, as if someone used one of the animations for Falco's moves in Melee/Brawl as a character pose.

I'm going to call "NO ES FAKE" on it.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53855: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:21:35 PM

I could be wrong but Mii Fighters just don't seem like the kind of characters you'd have to unlock. I see them as a default.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53856: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:23:52 PM

Did you miss the "might disappear if Customization is turned off" part of my message?

That's a very possible reason.

Anyway, I do consider Yoshi's position very odd(not so much the clones, but they are strange too). As pointed out a bit before, the poor quality of some characters' head shots is also suspicious. I'm believing this particular shot is fake. The actual roster might not be, though.

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FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#53857: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:24:00 PM

It's not like Miis being unlockable would be utterly unheard of. See Mario Kart.

I would be okay...-ish with this being real. Mewtwo's absence is the only thing that bugs me.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#53858: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:24:27 PM

Something I realized is that changes might be made AFTER real snapshots are taken. I don't think that Super Smash Bros has much time left to do that, but it's not impossible.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53859: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:27:49 PM

Irene: No I saw that but I find it unlikely an entire character will be removed from the selection screen if that's done. At most they'll just be locked into their default moveset.

Fawful: What bugs me isn't Mewtwo's absence. It's Dr. Mario returning over him. Bullshit. If Sakurai does that I will be legit pissed off at him.

edited 19th Aug '14 7:28:31 PM by Kostya

ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#53860: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:34:48 PM

Well, I'd think given Dr Mario's positioning that (if this is real) he was a lat-second clone addition like Lucina (and like he was in Melee)

Meanwhile, it'd be hard for them to make Mewtwo a clone of anybody, really.

The thing that leaves me scratching my head is why they have 7 Mario characters, but only 5 Zelda and Pokemon. That just confuses me.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53861: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:37:53 PM

I really don't think Pokemon will get a net reduction in characters so it having 5 instead of 6 is also a point against that roster IMO.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#53862: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:38:12 PM

@Waffle A mix of longevity AND popularity. Mario has been around forever and has like a hundred games. Zelda and Pokemon may be popular, but Mario's got so many spinoff series too.

edited 19th Aug '14 7:38:54 PM by Keybreak

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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#53863: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:38:54 PM

WHOA wtf did I miss? Dr. Mario? GTFO with that.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53864: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:41:17 PM

I don't think you understand the Miis that well, then. They have no default moveset. That's why they're banned from With Anyone online. Palutena does, Miis are always "must customize" no matter what. Or at least from what Sakurai has seemed to inform us of.

I do think them disappearing and not being grayed out is odd, but it is not impossible. If you can't directly select them, why have them on the screen?

I can honestly say the only glaring holes are Yoshi's placement and the questionable quality of the overall images for each character. Who you like/dislike is not a problem and really doesn't stop Sakurai from adding them. He added Dr. Mario once, why wouldn't he add him again? Quick clone, no issues.

Also, to be fair, the Mario series lost a spot in Brawl, and Pokemon actually got 4 new ones(although only 4 direct slots). I don't think there's really a good way to view it. They only have 6 for Mario, with a quick clone that was last second. It's like they used the Mario count in Melee for Pokemon, and Brawl's Pokemon count for Mario. Odd switch.

edited 19th Aug '14 7:45:39 PM by Irene

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ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
For The Most Ridley-culous Cause
#53865: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:41:43 PM

[up][up][up] My complaint is that Mario had 4 characters in Brawl, whereas Pokemon had 6 and Zelda had 5.

I wouldn't be adverse to Mario having that many characters, but it just seems a little odd.

edited 19th Aug '14 7:41:54 PM by ConstipatedWaffle

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FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#53866: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:42:12 PM

@Waffle: Not understanding what's odd about Nintendo's flagship franchise having the most characters.

@Kostya: Doesn't seem any weirder than Mario getting a reduction of characters in Brawl.

edited 19th Aug '14 7:42:48 PM by FawfulCrump

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#53867: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:43:20 PM

[up][up]As far as the game's concerned, all three of those had only four characters each.

I don't think a series is ALLOWED to have more reps than Mario. (Which, come to think of it, explains what possessed them to add Rosalina...)

edited 19th Aug '14 7:45:07 PM by BaffleBlend

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ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#53868: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:43:42 PM

[up][up]That is actually a really good point.

[up]I could've sworn Sakurai counts them separate though, am I wrong there?

edited 19th Aug '14 7:44:19 PM by ConstipatedWaffle

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#53869: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:46:16 PM

The thing about clones is that with alternate costumes and customization most of the incentive to create them is lost. Lucina had the decency to be a different person from Marth, but the other two are much more tied to their character of origin

edited 19th Aug '14 7:47:33 PM by Hylarn

Tatsumar Since: Mar, 2011
#53870: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:48:25 PM

More fuel for fire.

(Last one is hella fishy though. I don't believe anything until I see rendered models but it's cool.)

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53871: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:49:57 PM

Waffle is correct. Sakurai considers them all separate characters. Slots are different, and only exist either for having Transformation characters or to note when a character cannot be an Alt(like Dr. Mario and Lucina in Melee and 4).

He outright clarified that Brawl has 39 characters. There are officially 6 Pokemon and 4 Mario in Brawl, period. Slots don't matter in this case. However, it is possible that the actual slot count won't allow anyone to exceed the Mario series. It's a plausible theory due to Brawl's specific setup. Mario was tied twice with Pokemon(64 and Brawl) and once with Zelda(Brawl) in direct slot placement.

[up][up] Dr. Mario was never tied with Mario in Smash(they were always separate). Dark Pit was. We know Mario's customizable moves. There are no Megavitamins. This pretty much makes him being an Alt impossible at this point. Dark Pit's only legitimate issue is the model problem, not moveset, as we already know he can have unique moves. Let's not forget Dark Pit is his own person in Uprising entirely. A literal clone, but still a different body and mind. Not even a transformation like Sheik is.

edited 19th Aug '14 7:52:07 PM by Irene

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#53872: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:50:04 PM

Yeah, I don't believe this leak. Mr. Game and Watch's hand is clipping into Wario's square in the very first picture posted on this leak.

Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#53874: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:52:19 PM

Why does everybody have to leak on 4Chan?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53875: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:54:11 PM

@The Mage of Fire: That's actually a very good point. Thanks for bringing that up. That might kill that particular image. The Yoshi bit doesn't help, either.

Although I did look closer at that image. The hand does not actually go into Wario's square. It just matches the color. It's his shoulder. His hand is cut off, instead.

edited 19th Aug '14 7:57:27 PM by Irene

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