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Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Ghosts N' Stuff Remix
#53001: Aug 10th 2014 at 5:55:29 AM

"Ooh, Brawl was such a waste after Melee, what was Sakurai thinking making it a more accessible game for casual fags, let me go complain on the internet."

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#53002: Aug 10th 2014 at 6:00:14 AM

Unless you think Ganondorf being terrible is necessary in order for the game to be accessible to casual gamers (in which case I'd love to hear your explanation for that one), I'm pretty sure your highly original snark up there was somewhat mistimed.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#53003: Aug 10th 2014 at 6:05:08 AM

[up]You should've added italics on "highly original" and other words.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#53004: Aug 10th 2014 at 6:06:44 AM

Since the discussion was about Ganondorf, I assumed the context would make it obvious what I was complaining about. I don't like how Ganondorf functioned in Brawl, especially since he's my favorite character to play in Melee and Project M.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#53005: Aug 10th 2014 at 6:21:43 AM

The concept behind Ganondorf's new changes was neat. The execution wasn't so neat.

I love the idea of the Flame Choke, electricity in his Dark Dive(and him doing a dragon punch going into it), the new taunts, his new Down and Up Smash...

Shadow?
paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#53006: Aug 10th 2014 at 6:44:37 AM

After seeing the buffs made to Bowser, I think there's hope for Ganondorf becoming a viable character, even if he's doomed to moveset clone hell.

Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
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#53007: Aug 10th 2014 at 6:57:22 AM

Sorry if I stepped out of line with that comment, but I just don't want the thread to fill up with Brawl potshots or anything. I actually preferred Brawl to Melee, what are you gonna do?

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#53008: Aug 10th 2014 at 6:59:45 AM

"I actually preferred Brawl to Melee, what are you gonna do?"

Under what definition of going back into line are direct challenges included? I don't think anyone's really talking about differences between the games, as much as the near-universal hope that Ganondorf play a bit better, and more like Ganondorf. Stop picking fights.

edited 10th Aug '14 7:00:45 AM by wanderlustwarrior

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#53009: Aug 10th 2014 at 7:50:36 AM

I actually preferred Brawl to Melee, what are you gonna do?
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NEO from Qrrbrbirlbel Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
#53010: Aug 10th 2014 at 8:07:02 AM

I'd just hope they include Black Shadow or something to inherit Ganondorf's role, then create an original moveset for Ganondorf himself.

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#53011: Aug 10th 2014 at 8:32:18 AM

Hmm. Judging by F-Zero GX, Black Shadow would use dark magic and a sword.

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#53012: Aug 10th 2014 at 9:28:21 AM

I way preferred Brawl to Melee. More characters, more items, more story, more everything.

Less Dr. Mario and Young Link and Mewtwo and Roy and Pichu, but what can you do.

Right now I'm more interested in seeing who's been cut from Smash 4 than who's been added.

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DarthTaco from where the wild things are. Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#53013: Aug 10th 2014 at 9:45:56 AM

I suppose liking both Brawl and Melee for different reasons is out of the question.

But, I digress. I'm not sure if I want Ganon to be completely based on Hyrule Warriors, but definitely give him those swords. Falcondorf kinda sucks.

I would also like it if Toony got a Wind Waker based FS and Shiek got her own different FS, but beggars can't be choosers, I suppose. Then again, they may be planning on making a lot more changes even to the demo characters.

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#53014: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:02:01 AM

I enjoyed Falcondorf in Melee, but let's face it - it's time for an overhaul. And for anyone who prefers hand-to-hand Ganondorf, you can still play as him. He's called Captain Falcon. (I'm aware they don't play identically, but they're still stylistically similar and Falcon is consistently superior to Falcondorf, so...)

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#53015: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:15:36 AM

What if they overhauled the animations to be more Ganon-y (i.e. his dash has him floating instead of doing a sweaty old man jog, maybe revise Warlock Punch to be an extremely strong shockwave directly around himself?), but he still keeps a magic brawler moveset. Would that work?

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#53016: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:18:08 AM

The problem isn't that he doesn't use a sword or trident, it's that he's still largely similar to Falcon. An unarmed moveset would be perfectly fine so long as it was much more unique.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#53017: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:19:40 AM

I mean, I'm all for making Ganon more Ganon-y, but if they'd bother doing such a big overhaul of the animations, why NOT give him a moveset based on what he does in the Zelda games?

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Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#53018: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:20:02 AM

why even go for the magic brawler move set? he's either been a straight magician, a transmorphed violent monster, or a straight swordsman.

where did magic brawler even come from?

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#53019: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:22:39 AM

[up]He punches the ground to make shockwaves in Oo T.

Melee gave him the magic brawler getup in the first place, but it kind of stuck and fit.

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#53020: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:24:11 AM

There was also the backhand in WW and proto-Flame Choke in TP, but those were admittedly minor.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#53021: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:30:54 AM

I actually like him as a brawler because it implies, further underlined by that one taunt, that these worms aren't even worth going all out against, hrmph!

But yeah, I do hope they further declone him. Brawl already gave him some more of his own personality, like that great side-tilt, but then there's still ridiculous things like his up-tilt that just ... no.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#53022: Aug 10th 2014 at 10:57:04 AM

Given his tier rankings, Brawldorf shows that not using your full power against those you consider weaker than you is incredibly stupid.

I think being a magic brawler would fit as a sort of composite of various Ganons. Yes, Ganondorf: Greatest Hits.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#53023: Aug 10th 2014 at 12:25:20 PM

Link shudders to think of that compilation.

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#53024: Aug 10th 2014 at 12:39:46 PM

Because of it being Ganondorf or because of Link being low tier?

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#53025: Aug 10th 2014 at 12:44:40 PM

even back in A Link To The Past, Ganon(dorf) has been something of a physical powrhouse in addition to his magic skills. What with the trident throwing and earth-splitting stomps and all.

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