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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#52126: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:38:30 AM

Even the first Paper Mario's story was deeper than Sticker Star's. Sticker Star's story is about on par with the New Super Mario Bros. games' stories.

Bowser doesn't even speak. He's just a mute final boss.

Super Paper Mario doesn't get ragged on as much because, while it was a big gameplay departure, it still retained the same feel and charm as the first two in every other way at least. Sticker Star returned to the RPG gameplay style but also butchered everything else that made the series Paper Mario, AND butchered the RPG gameplay anyway.

edited 29th Jul '14 11:42:00 AM by Anomalocaris20

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#52127: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:43:07 AM

@Gary:

Here's the thing, she was relevant Melee came out, and she stayed relevant because they probably couldn't figure out a separate moveset for Sheik. Also, Oo T remained the most favorite Zelda game of all time (of all time), so that's what she has for her, not to mention the many re-releases the game had. Then Oo T 3D came out, and now Hyrule Warriors.

Sheik's still relevant. Rundas and Gandrayda are not.

How do you explain Sheik still appearing in Brawl, when all she had was unused concept art for Twilight Princess?

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#52128: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:45:28 AM

Hard to justify removing a popular moveset, relevance be damned.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#52129: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:45:44 AM

Thanks to everyone for answering my Sticker Star question. I didn't think it was that much of a change from the other games.

I suppose I'll just rent it from Game Fly or borrow it from my brothers (who both have said that it's alright) and see if it's good enough for me to buy...

...And I just now realized how many 3DS RPGs I don't own that I want to get, though Dream Team and Shin Megami Tensei IV are top priority right now.

Speaking of which, any chance of us getting anything SMT-related in 4? I mean, we have a Rayman trophy, so I feel like anything's possible. tongue

edited 29th Jul '14 11:46:08 AM by Customer

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#52130: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:45:48 AM

[up][up][up]Grandfather Clause. Same reason Jigglypuff still gets in.

edited 29th Jul '14 11:46:06 AM by Moth13

MJTrooper Since: Apr, 2011
#52131: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:46:38 AM

Okay, can we stop talking about Sticker Star, because it's just opening old wounds at this point.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#52132: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:48:33 AM

Sheik got into Melee because she was relevant at the time. She was kept for Brawl because she was in Melee, not to mention being part of Zelda's moveset. Grandfather Clause and all. Now that she's been in two games she's pretty much an SSB staple even if she's not relevant in her home series.

Lucario is the same deal, it probably wouldn't be in SSB 4 if it hadn't been included in Brawl thanks to being relevant then (Granted, it's relevant to X and Y, but probably not enough to be included on that alone).

The problem with the hunters is that their best time to enter has passed. They didn't get in when they were relevant, and likely won't get in from here on out as a result.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#52133: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:49:10 AM

[up][up]They only spoke about it because I asked a question after seeing the stage and catching up on the thread at the time. Sorry for bringing it up again.

EDIT: I feel Sakurai chooses characters based on how fun they'd be, rather than their relevancy (not that that isn't a factor, or a small one to consider, but I don't think it's a huge one either. And I do suspect that the other people he works with may have differing opinions if that is his mind set and probably also affect how the roster is drawn up).

edited 29th Jul '14 11:53:14 AM by Customer

MJTrooper Since: Apr, 2011
#52134: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:53:10 AM

[up]It's okay, you were just curious, I just don't like hearing a game get bashed, even if it's a game I hate myself. Too much negativity for my taste.

edited 29th Jul '14 11:54:31 AM by MJTrooper

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#52135: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:55:27 AM

Super Paper Mario may be different, but it was still a good game. Great story, great characters, fun platforming, and inventive puzzles. Maybe it wasn't as good as TTYD, but that didn't make it bad.

Sheik was in Brawl because she was part of Zelda moveset, and she's in 4 because of Grandfather Clause. It's not complicated.

Lucario is in because it's one of the most deserving Pokemon to be in. It's probably the second or third most relevant Pokemon in the series, beaten only by Pikachu and maybe Charizard.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#52136: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:58:05 AM

Of course, I'd say that at this point Lucario's relevancy is no longer an issue, like with Jigglypuff. Now that it's been in two SSB games it's basically set for life even if it falls into obscurity within its home franchise. Like Jigglypuff.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#52137: Jul 29th 2014 at 12:47:45 PM

Even so, I think Lucario is set in stone for popularity. It helps that his movie was one of the more well-received ones.

And yeah, Sheik is still in because of Grandfather Clause, already having her own moveset prior to the form split (same with Zero Suit Samus, who'd likely never be her own character otherwise.) It helps her case that she's a popular character in her own home game, so...

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#52138: Jul 29th 2014 at 1:00:00 PM

I just hope we see some SPM bosses and NPC. The Final Boss Room or even Dimension D would be Excellent.

Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#52139: Jul 29th 2014 at 3:37:03 PM

Someone here mention SMT? 'Cause I want it to be represented in SSB, and I have some good ideas.

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#52140: Jul 29th 2014 at 3:55:14 PM

It better begin with Jack Frost and end with Jack Frost.

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Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#52141: Jul 29th 2014 at 3:58:13 PM

Jack Frost is one of my first ideas, and probably the best, seeing as he IS the Mascot Character.

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#52142: Jul 29th 2014 at 4:03:58 PM

No, it begins with Jack Frost and ends with Black Frost. tongue

In all seriousness, it's a moot point for me since I got a Demi-Fiend Mii and can put him in as a brawler.

Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#52143: Jul 29th 2014 at 4:41:02 PM

Or maybe Jack Brothers, having both Pyro Jack and Jack Frost, using fire and ice.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#52145: Jul 29th 2014 at 5:57:39 PM

This is so wrong. Everyone knows that Mario never (okay, very very rarely) does any plumbing.

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Kurgy Since: Feb, 2013
#52146: Jul 29th 2014 at 6:24:14 PM

That video would make a good commercial.

nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#52147: Jul 29th 2014 at 7:11:28 PM

This is actually my headcanon. Super Smash Bros. is its own promotion that sets up fights and the whole roster are its employees. Sakurai's the main boss obviously.

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#52148: Jul 29th 2014 at 7:13:17 PM

Not that the fighters are all just toys come to life and battling it out in worlds imagined by their owner?

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DarthTaco from where the wild things are. Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#52149: Jul 29th 2014 at 7:29:59 PM

It could be a conflict set up by the powers that be to keep the universe in balance.

edited 29th Jul '14 7:30:17 PM by DarthTaco

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#52150: Jul 29th 2014 at 7:36:01 PM

I always figured it was a tournament Master Hand cobbled together for craps and giggles. Some characters love fighting, and some others (Samus) really REALLY hate being yoinked out of their universes.

...now that I think about it, Master Hand is an intergalactic Shao Kahn. Huh.

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