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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#52101: Jul 29th 2014 at 8:36:00 AM

If we got another hunter instead of Ridley, I'd probably pick Sylux or Rundas. Maybe Gandrayda, but the other two seem more popular.

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#52102: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:02:29 AM

From a brief wiki walk, it looks like Sylux is lacking in personality, while Rundas seems more interesting, and Gandrayda even moreso, especially in terms of moveset.

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#52103: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:09:02 AM

Something to note about Palutena's Temple.

edited 29th Jul '14 9:09:19 AM by Vgm3

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Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#52104: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:40:11 AM

Any hunter from Hunters may be reasonable. Retro has expressed a desire to use them in a future Metroid game, while Rundas and Gandrayda are probably not gonna return from the dead.

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#52105: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:54:15 AM

You forgot Ghor in that list of Corruption hunters.

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Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#52106: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:57:50 AM

If Ghor was mentioned as a possible candidate, I would have mentioned him.

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#52107: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:58:55 AM

Considering the Smash characters are figures I don't think it matters if they died in their series or not.

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#52108: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:02:35 AM

That never stopped Ridley.

strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#52109: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:03:03 AM

Yeah. Dark Samus is dead, but is still an Assist Trophy.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#52110: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:07:05 AM

The issue is relevance to the source games. The hunters from... Hunters might come back some time, the the ones from Prime 3 definitely can't.

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#52111: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:09:43 AM

Even if some are dead, that's what never stopped Ridley, I mean. Dude seems to like coming back. Maybe someone else does.

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#52112: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:12:41 AM

@Palutena's Temple boss: Hmm... I have no idea what it could be. Maybe the Great Sacred Treasure? Its attacks seem like they'd lend well to such an extremely large stage.

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#52113: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:12:47 AM

@Nerd Rage comic: Adam aside, I like how Sakurai is drawn there. tongue

@Paper Mario: Er, did I miss something? Was Sticker Star bad? I was really looking forward to playing that game once I got it (I plan to get it once I go out and buy Dream Team). All I got from the trope page here is that there was a bit of controversy because Miyamoto insisted that the story take a back seat in Sticker Star due to a supposedly skewed fan-poll he did...

Personally, I love that we have a Paper Mario stage and hope that it cycles through a least one scene from each of the games in the seriesnote .

@Palutena stage "secret": Interesting find. If it's true, I wouldn't be surprised if Medusa is the boss that shows up there.

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#52114: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:16:37 AM

Reading the reddit page linked in the video suggesting a boss, it's possible there's other possibilities.

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#52115: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:19:07 AM

[up][up]Three basic complaints stemmed from how Nintendo wildly misinterpreted the Club surveys regarding Paper Mario:

  • "The story is surprisingly complex" - OH SHIT GOTTA DUMB DOWN THE STORY SO THAT THE KIDDIES WON'T BE CONFUSED
  • "There are tons of unique characters" - OH SHIT GOTTA MAKE IT SO ONLY THE MARIO ESSENTIALS ARE USED BECAUSE WE WANT TO AVOID LOTS AND LOTS OF CHARACTERS
  • "The gameplay is very deep for a Mario game" - OH SHIT GOTTA SIMPLIFY EVERYTHING ABOUT PLAYING OUR PAPER MARIO GAME SO THAT NOBODY WOULD EVER WANNA HAVE A BATTLE IN IT EVER

edited 29th Jul '14 10:19:22 AM by nomuru2d

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#52116: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:20:09 AM

Even if some are dead, that's what never stopped Ridley, I mean. Dude seems to like coming back. Maybe someone else does.
Ridley, unlike the hunters, has something along the lines of From a Single Cell on his side. It's a handwave, but it's more than anyone else in Metroid gets.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#52117: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:56:56 AM

We've had dead Assist Trophies (for those who care about spoilers from Metal Gear Solid, for some reason: Grey Fox/Cyborg Ninja, and the aforementioned Dark Samus. And Ganondorf's been dead a few times, so that shouldn't be an issue.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#52118: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:58:10 AM

And again, I'm not talking about how it relates to Smash, but how the character is or is not important to the source material.

The Prime 3 hunters are AT material at best, in other words.

edited 29th Jul '14 10:59:31 AM by Pulse

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#52119: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:00:51 AM

Here's the simple translation.

Ridley is relevant to the Metroid series despite being dead several times, hence, people feel like he's a good representative of Smash.

Dark Samus got an AT because she was the main antagonist of the Prime trilogy arc.

Rundas and Gandrayda are, however, not relevant, and never will be, because they appeared in one game and will forever only be in one game.

Signatures are for lamers.
WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#52120: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:14:36 AM

@Gary: You know, with Sheik split off as a separate character, the Super Smash Bros. series isn't limited to characters that represent the whole series.

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#52121: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:26:19 AM

Here's the thing, she was relevant Melee came out, and she stayed relevant because they probably couldn't figure out a separate moveset for Sheik. Also, Oo T remained the most favorite Zelda game of all time (of all time), so that's what she has for her, not to mention the many re-releases the game had. Then Oo T 3D came out, and now Hyrule Warriors.

Sheik's still relevant. Rundas and Gandrayda are not.

edited 29th Jul '14 11:27:09 AM by GaryCXJk

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#52122: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:29:13 AM

If Dark Samus, the main overarching villain of the Prime subseries, is an assist, then the Hunters, one-shot characters, have no hope of being playable. That's where I stand on the matter. Metroid newcomer possibilities at this point can be summed up as "Ridley or bust."

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#52123: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:29:42 AM

I would enjoy playing as them. That's all the reason I really need for wanting a character in.

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MJTrooper Since: Apr, 2011
#52124: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:31:53 AM

52115[up] You better provide a link for those quotes or else it's just a negative exaggeration.

If you want a less "extreme" explanation for why some people hate Sticker Star, it's the following:

  • The game has a simple "Bowser kidnaps Peach" story compared to the more complex stories of the 2nd and 3rd games.
  • The game doesn't have any partners or original characters besides Kersti the Exposition Fairy.
  • The game doesn't have an experience point system.
  • If you run out of stickers, your only options are to run away or keep blocking attacks until stickers pop out of nowhere.
  • The game has "Thing" stickers that are used for both puzzle solving and battles. You can only carry one copy of each Thing sticker, after which you either have to return to the place where you found them or buy them at a Black Market. A Thing sticker disappears if it's used for a puzzle, regardless of whether it works or not. Bosses take little damage unless you use the exact Thing sticker needed at the right time.

Yikes, when I put it like that, it does sound pretty flawed, but there are plenty of things to enjoy in the game:

  • Fighting enemies for the fun of it is still enjoyable.
  • There's a certain appeal in managing my inventory of stickers, and stickers are found everywhere in this game, so if you're good at Action Commands, you could fight every enemy in the area without running out of stickers.
  • The game more feels more like a Mario game than the previous installments, as it only features enemies from existing games instead of original enemies.
  • The game can be pretty creative with its paper aesthetic, such as characters combining with each other to form a staircase and a wheel among other objects.
  • The game has plenty of funny and creative moments.
  • The game has an amazing jazz soundtrack that shows that jazz music can have a surprising amount of variety.

Overall, I did like the game despite its flaws, I'd even like to try out the sticker mechanic again, although I'd also like some elements from the older Paper Mario games such as a better plot and partners.

edited 29th Jul '14 11:44:52 AM by MJTrooper

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#52125: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:38:30 AM

All the same, even Super Papaer Mario doesn't get ragged on nearly as much, and it was an even bigger departure, being an action RPG with an emphasis on platforming.

... Y'know, man, '07 was a damn good year for Mario platformers. Super Paper Mario AND Super Mario Galaxy, yo.

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