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nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Let's dance, boys!
#51702: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:06:00 PM

Hehe, r/smashbros is gushing about both Bowser and the winner right now.

And arguing about if Smash 4 = Brawl 2.0. But mostly gushing about Bowser.

Vote. .#Bayonetta 4 Smash
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51703: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:06:09 PM

Legendary...

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
GreatT HOT DOG Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
HOT DOG
#51704: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:09:47 PM

I feel like digging up my Bowser plushie now.

How do you think Bowser WOULD react to having fat little plushies in his likeness, anyway? Or any of the Smashers, in fact?

When you wish upon a side of beef, soon will come an end to all your grief
MJTrooper Since: Apr, 2011
#51705: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:14:13 PM

[up]Bowser seems to be enough of a narcissist to enjoy anything based on him as long as it's awesome.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51706: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:31:14 PM

Anyway, now that we've had a look at both 3DS and Wii U versions, I think it's safe to say that the 3DS version will match the Wii U version in terms of being competitively viable. Since most of the stages are different, the respective tier lists will be different, even if the characters play the same.

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51707: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:39:21 PM

All the same, Battlefield and Final Destination will almost certainly be the most competitively popular stages and both are retained in each version.

I sure said that!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51708: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:45:36 PM

So is anything going on tomorrow?

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51709: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:46:37 PM

[up] Most stages will still be different, and thanks to the footage, I can already guess at some 3DS stages that could be set up as either awailable or counterpick stages. (It's a bit harder when it comes to the Wii U version.)

edited 25th Jul '14 7:46:53 PM by Folt

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51710: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:48:36 PM

Of course!

I'm just saying, simpler stages will be the metric used overall, with the rest being more minor adjustments. The broad lists will be extremely similar at the end of the day.

I sure said that!
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51711: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:52:13 PM

Even so, I think the chance for a good variety of awailable stages is decently high. So the tier lists will most likely be different in the end.

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#51712: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:53:27 PM

Bowser would probably order that the plushie have sharper teeth, harder claws, and a more imposing stance.

I have a message from another time...
zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#51713: Jul 25th 2014 at 7:56:39 PM

Nah. All he'd need is for a magikoopa to say 'hey man, I heard chicks really dig plushies.'

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#51714: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:08:31 PM

I hope that Id (Purpose) is in the Wii U's Fire Emblem stage as well. It's too glorious to be confined to one version.

Though what I heard during the tournament sounded like a shortened version of it.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51715: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:13:07 PM

It probably was abbreviated a bit- The original version is a four-minute loop counting the Ominously Chanted version of the Fire Emblem Main Theme that bridges it.

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Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#51716: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:14:45 PM

Remember my idea for Flynn as a fighter? Well, an idea is that he could have Isabeau as an alternate costume.

Also, he only uses his sword for basic attacks. His specials should all involve summoning demons to use a spell.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#51717: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:23:16 PM

Which returning characters Final Smashes have been confirmed and which haven't? Or do we know all of them already?

...Cause I really wish they'd change a lot of the old Final Smashes.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51718: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:26:26 PM

Off the top of my head we've seen Mario, Fox, Olimar, Pit, Kirby, Link, Samus, Toon Link, Luigi, DK, Sonic, Zelda, Marth, Zero Suit Samus, and Yoshi.

Some might have had their properties changed but only Pit, Kirby, Luigi, and Zero Suit Samus have entirely new ones.

edited 25th Jul '14 8:26:42 PM by Kostya

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51719: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:27:26 PM

Lessee...

Off the top of my head, Mario, Link, Samus, DK, Bowser, Yoshi, Zelda, Sheik, Marth, Sonic, Olimar, Captain Falcon, Fox, and Pikachu retain their Brawl Final Smash attacks.

The rest of the veterans either have new ones- Pit uses the Three Sacred Treasures, Uprising flavor, Luigi uses the Poltergust, Charizard and Lucario go Mega, ZSS calls in her gunship and seems to handle at least a bit like Snake's FS, and Kirby uses Ultra Sword- Or else have neither been playable or had a picture of their FS uploaded yet.

It's a safe bet that Ike and Diddy will probably have their Brawl Final Smashes while Dedede probably won't.

edited 25th Jul '14 8:29:35 PM by Pulse

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#51720: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:32:00 PM

We know most of them.

  • Mario, Link, Samus, Fox, Pikachu, Bowser, Olimar, Toon Link, Sonic, Marth, Zelda, Sheik, Yoshi, and Captain Falcon have the same ones.
  • Donkey Kong also has the same one, but now there's a bar/staff above him that clearly shows when you need to hit A to the beat.
  • Kirby's is the Ultra Sword, Pit's is the Three Sacred Treasures, Luigi's is Poltergust 3000, Zero Suit Samus's is the Gunship, and Charizard's is Mega Charizard X.
  • It's safe to assume Mega Lucario is Lucario's Final Smash but it hasn't been flat-out stated yet.
  • We have yet to see the Final Smashes of Peach, King Dedede, Diddy Kong or Ike.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#51721: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:33:54 PM

They do still have some balancing to do, it seems. Zelda still seems terrible, and I saw Bowser just rolling right out of Toon Link's up-B... I don't want to go too far and say that I'm worried about Bowser and other heavyweights being overpowered now. Was it actually possible to change characters during the tournament, or did you have to stick with one? It feels like a lot of people picked Bowser because he's great for free-for-alls.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#51722: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:35:00 PM

Dang...Did they at least make Giga Bowser less lanky? sad

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#51723: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:36:20 PM

He's... more colorful...?

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51724: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:36:24 PM

I'm not nearly as worried about the balance as I might be- Aside from all these field tests and active edting work going on after them, the 3DS and the Wii U both support software patching after release.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#51725: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:42:15 PM

Sakurai said he does not intend to do any balancing once the game is out.

Either way I don't think this'll be like Street Fight 4 and get continual balance patches and DLC.


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