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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#51251: Jul 20th 2014 at 8:23:02 PM

The Brawl demo supposedly had very good balance, with Metaknight maybe standing out a bit and Ike being terrible, according to Gimpyfish. It's obvious that a lot changed between that and the final version.

Was the Brawl demo... presentation... on tournament rules?

How do you determine actual balance from a demo? Its a demo, not full gameplay. And, as noted, the physics of the game changed since then. How was it balanced in the demo and "worsened" on release? What player sat down long enough and made these observations?

Because... f'ck.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#51252: Jul 20th 2014 at 8:38:06 PM

Also, Ike was very low tier at first. It took a while for people to realize how powerful he is when used properly.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#51253: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:07:32 PM

This is beautiful.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#51254: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:15:39 PM

Pic of the day. Robin's Nosferatu is the first ability in the Smash Bros. series that recovers your damage as it gives damage to others. The attack becomes even stronger if you strike from behind! Robin doesn't actually use this ability in the original game, but we added that element to make the character unique. Who knows—the ideas we use in this game may contribute to the original series.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#51256: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:40:00 PM

[up]Or a pretty boy half-baked prophet?

edited 20th Jul '14 11:40:33 PM by Elbruno

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#51257: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:56:34 AM

Because he was the first one, years before that guy from Texas, to reach Pacman's kill screen.

And because that's the way I chose to spell the pellet eating onomatopoeia that evening.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#51258: Jul 21st 2014 at 9:58:56 AM

It just gets me thinking of The Muppets.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#51259: Jul 21st 2014 at 10:25:34 AM

Was the Brawl demo... presentation... on tournament rules?

How do you determine actual balance from a demo? Its a demo, not full gameplay. And, as noted, the physics of the game changed since then. How was it balanced in the demo and "worsened" on release? What player sat down long enough and made these observations?

Because... f'ck.

Settle down.

I don't remember. It's been roughly half an eternity since then. I think it was probably set up like those Smash 4 demos at E3? There were several tournament-level players involved who played for several hours. A change in physics can easily bring about a change in balance. And stuff.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51260: Jul 21st 2014 at 10:38:42 AM

Once you know enough about the mechanics and how the combat works and such, it's not too hard to get a general idea of how the character balance might pan out in a fighting game even from a demo, since you can get a good bead on what tools the characters have the advantages thereof. It might even be easier in a game like Smash, because the qualities that are beneficial can be pretty obvious.

Of course, it could easily change in the finished product, and near every game has characters with tools that go undiscovered or unrealized.

edited 21st Jul '14 10:40:55 AM by KnownUnknown

KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
#51261: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:10:54 PM

Fun fact-Robin's footwear resembles Isaac's.

Edit:[down] I see.

edited 21st Jul '14 4:13:55 PM by KSonik

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51262: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:12:52 PM

... No, that's standard Tactician footwear in FE:A.

They do change to much fancier boots if they class change to Grandmaster, though.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#51263: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:19:29 PM

Insofar as anyone in Awakning has "feet".

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#51265: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:23:31 PM

Seeing the Awakening characters with feet is so weird.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#51266: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:35:50 PM

Indeed.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51267: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:40:57 PM

They managed to get a lot of detail on those foot nubs. The shoes are clearly the same on the models as in the art.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#51268: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:46:13 PM

On the subject of Fire Emblem, I've heard reports that Id (Purpose) has been heard as a song this game. Is it for the 3DS or Wii U stage? I hope the latter, would be glorious to hear with the Wii U's soundcard... though it's probably unchanged regardless.

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OdieFromTheOZ KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
KING OF EXPLODO KILLS
#51269: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:47:37 PM

Alright guys, I know we have a lot of fun here, joking about moves and picking apart screenshots, but I really think we need to talk about the wave of descrimination in the smash bros. series. There is not a single playable character in the series whose name begins with the letter A. NOT. ONE. This is ridiculous. What are little Adam and Alyssa suppose to think? They're not good enough to be a fighitng mascot because of their names?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#51270: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:48:57 PM

Hey, those A's can have their chance after we finally get some Q representation. I'm sick of seeing bigotry towards them.

edited 21st Jul '14 4:49:15 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
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#51271: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:53:11 PM

[up][up][up]its in the 3ds arena ferox

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51272: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:54:02 PM

Though it's far from unlikely that it'll show up in the Colosseum stage on Wii U, too.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#51273: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:54:13 PM

@Anom: It's heard in the Arena Ferox stage on the 3DS version. There was a link to an article with 3DS version videos linked last page that brought the question on.

The Wii U version will more than likely have the same song, since I think Arena Ferox is also a stage in the Wii U version.

Side note: I went to listen to Id~Purpose after being told about it and it almost makes me want to buy the game (Awakening) just based on the song alone.

edited 21st Jul '14 4:55:18 PM by Customer

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#51274: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:57:08 PM

Damn. Well, here's hoping some of the songs are shared between games, including that one. It's a good final boss theme and I love how it incorporates the main Fire Emblem theme.

Mastermind would also be a good song, though it does become a bit repetitive since you don't hear it for long periods of time.

edited 21st Jul '14 4:59:05 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51275: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:59:21 PM

[up][up]The Wii U FE stage shown so far is a generic Colosseum based principally on the Arenas from the first eight games.

[up]What I really want is Divine Decree and/or Chaos shifting between their normal and ~Ablaze variants. FE:A going for a variable soundtrack was an excellent addition.

edited 21st Jul '14 5:03:44 PM by Pulse

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