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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51201: Jul 20th 2014 at 10:14:57 AM

I'm referring to a full Wii U box, actually- But hey, there's bound to be some kind of pack-in around then, even if it isn't Smash.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#51202: Jul 20th 2014 at 10:18:04 AM

Random thought: What will Robin do when holding items that need two hands like the Super Scope? He's got them full almost all the time. Floating books or books that stick to the back mayhaps?

edited 20th Jul '14 10:19:26 AM by Elbruno

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51204: Jul 20th 2014 at 10:35:37 AM

Yeah, I'm guessing Robin will alternate between floating the item and their Bronze/Levin Sword depending on what they're doing.

... Y'know, I'm by no means expecting it, but it'd be nifty if weapons from FE were items in Smash for. Like, a Brave Sword that automatically swings twice, or a Short Spear that sticks in the ground after being thrown and can be grabbed again.

edited 20th Jul '14 10:37:10 AM by Pulse

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RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#51205: Jul 20th 2014 at 10:41:17 AM

[up]Or a throwing axe that functions like a boomerang and can be caught.

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Halberdier17 We Are With You Zack Snyder from Western Pennsylvania Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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#51206: Jul 20th 2014 at 10:42:36 AM

Well in some screens of Robin there are some screens where he or she isn't even holding a sword. So I think it will be sheathed when they don't need to use the sword. So one hand is free to pick up items.

edited 20th Jul '14 10:43:38 AM by Halberdier17

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#51207: Jul 20th 2014 at 10:44:59 AM

So does the special Wii U bundle have a custom skin with Smash characters on it? Like my Pokemon XY 3DS.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51208: Jul 20th 2014 at 10:48:25 AM

Right now, the only bundle that definitely exists is one featuring the game, the black GCN controller with the Smash logo on it and the Wii U GCN controller adapter. That all would presume you already owned a Wii U, obviously.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51209: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:06:53 AM

[up][up] That, or he just uses his telekinetic powers to "hold" one. Doesn't need to be ridiculously complex.

Also, I read up on how a couple of veterans are changed from Brawl since we've had so much focus on the newcomers

Some general stuff:

Mario plays as an all around better version of his Brawl self.
Link, Samus, Yoshi, and Luigi have been massively improved and are probably the best incarnation of the character to appear in any Smash game. Same with Bowser.
Zelda has been nerfed. Don't ask.
Sheik and Zero Suit Samus are the best as of the demo versions.
Fox appear to have gotten a little less powerful, and Marth appears to have his mobility reduced a bit.

Some specific tidbits regarding Yoshi and Luigi:

Yoshi can jump out of shielding now. Yoshi mainers everywhere are rejoicing.
Luigi's skid from 64 has returned... but Luigi can wall jump now, he is quicker overall, he has a new d-throw which is an excellent combo starter, and his dash attack which was previously the worst dash attack in the history of Smash may now be one of the best (maybe even the best): People have said that if Luigi gets a hit in on his Dash Attack, the rest are practically guaranteed to hit as well which would suggest it had a high increase in priority.

Also, missed it the first time around, but one of Bowser's custom variations of his Fire Breath is a projectile move in the vein of how he usually spits flames at you in the Mario series.

edited 20th Jul '14 11:09:14 AM by Folt

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#51210: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:08:30 AM

Keep hearing Link and Samus are still low-tier heroes though. Different impressions, I guess?

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#51211: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:10:37 AM

Probably. I read it from one of the people who do play Smash competitively, but of course, it is a demo, and there's still time for adjustments.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#51212: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:13:01 AM

Man, nerfing Zelda is like buffing Pikachu: no point whatsoever. Even worse now that's she her own character.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#51213: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:15:03 AM

So what's the word on Pikachu? I haven't heard much about him yet. He seemed nerfed from what little I saw, but I'm a terrible judge.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51214: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:16:08 AM

[up] Pikachu, like most of the veterans, have gotten changes for the better, and some for the worse, but overall is a bit better like most of the other veterans, I suspect.

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#51215: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:26:39 AM

So how was Yoshi improved? Anything beyond shield-jumping? I could barely find any footage of him and all I could glean was that he's Yoshi. (Also a changed dash, which did seem somewhat good.)

I dearly hope that they'll take care of Zelda's balancing, because nerfing her from already being one of the worst characters would just be a disgrace.

I wonder if they'll tweak the heavyweights. It's interesting how powerful they seemed even at high levels of play. Obviously they didn't seem to be overpowered at a casual skill level in spite of that, which I think is really hard to accomplish.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#51216: Jul 20th 2014 at 11:38:50 AM

So how was Yoshi improved? Anything beyond shield-jumping? I could barely find any footage of him and all I could glean was that he's Yoshi. (Also a changed dash, which did seem somewhat good.)

Egg throw's range is reduced but Yoshi in return gets excellent control over the angle of the eggs (and he can in fact throw it so it goes near horizontally or about 80 degrees vertically) so he should be able to hit anything near him. His jab combo is three hits now, and he has new up smash (a flip kick), and he overall has more speed and power than he's ever had before. Also, if you air dodge while still flutter jumping, it kinda stalls you so that you do not reach maximum height which can be both a buff and a nerf.

I wonder if they'll tweak the heavyweights. It's interesting how powerful they seemed even at high levels of play. Obviously they didn't seem to be overpowered at a casual skill level in spite of that, which I think is really hard to accomplish.

They've kinda tweaked weight to be a more important stat for how far you get launched by moves, so things like fall speed is less important in Smash 4.

edited 20th Jul '14 11:40:58 AM by Folt

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#51217: Jul 20th 2014 at 12:18:01 PM

[up]They've kinda tweaked weight to be a more important stat for how far you get launched by moves, so things like fall speed is less important in Smash 4.

That would nerf Fox quite a bit.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51218: Jul 20th 2014 at 12:22:21 PM

One thing about Fox that I should mention is that his Side-B doesn't put him in helpless now, so he can Side-B and then Fire Fox which is something that should help his recovery.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#51219: Jul 20th 2014 at 12:38:32 PM

Can he Side+B more than once?

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51220: Jul 20th 2014 at 12:39:52 PM

No idea, but we do know he can attack after using it in the air. Either way, that's a buff to his recovery.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#51221: Jul 20th 2014 at 12:53:35 PM

Excellent. I remember Fox Illusioning off the stage all the time when I started out. Classic noob mistake. Of course, I'm much less likely to do that nowadays, so I'm not entirely sure why this news pleases me.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#51222: Jul 20th 2014 at 1:15:12 PM

If Falco returns(and I don't see why he wouldn't), I hope he gets a similar treatment.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#51223: Jul 20th 2014 at 1:30:02 PM

Maybe.

The veteran I'm most excited about right now is Luigi. I thought he was very different from Mario in Brawl (and people think he and Mario may not even count as semiclones anymore, the only other pair of semiclones that they think of this way besides the Mario Bros. are Fox and Wolf), but they managed to give him more differences in 4 as well:

New jump animation when jumping forward.
Neutral combo animation on the first two jabs are different and Luigi is sent forward a little bit by the third and last jab.
Luigi now grabs and holds the opponent with one hand.
New down throw. (Though I have not seen if Mario's down-throw is the same as in Brawl.) Luigi throws the opponent to the ground, then plants his butt on the opponent.

edited 20th Jul '14 1:30:40 PM by Folt

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#51224: Jul 20th 2014 at 1:42:38 PM

Looks like the Year of Luigi really did something for him.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#51225: Jul 20th 2014 at 2:30:05 PM

While it's nice to hear that everyone's better, I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt, if only because I remember reading a report from a Brawl demo that claimed that Mario was better than he ever was, only for the final version of the game to show that he was actually worse than he was in Melee.


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