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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#51126: Jul 18th 2014 at 5:32:55 PM

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that he won't balance anything about the characters; just that he first focuses on coming up with an unique and fun mechanic for a character, and then focuses on balancing it. He won't ditch what could become something enjoyable and unique just because it looks unbalanced at first glance.

edited 18th Jul '14 5:33:37 PM by Elbruno

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51127: Jul 18th 2014 at 5:34:00 PM

That's interesting for him to say, since from what we've seen so far more thought went into character balance and (arguably) a balanced mechanics system for this game than ever before in this series.

edited 18th Jul '14 5:39:25 PM by KnownUnknown

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#51128: Jul 18th 2014 at 5:36:22 PM

Waluigi's such a degenerate.

Heh, "idol animation."

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#51129: Jul 18th 2014 at 5:49:20 PM

[up]*Beat*

Ooohh. I see what you did there.

edited 18th Jul '14 5:49:29 PM by DarthTaco

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#51130: Jul 18th 2014 at 6:38:09 PM

Hm...

Mega Man is heavily projectile-focused, and uses roughly the same move for three of his attacks, so he can run-and-gun.

Villager can store projectiles from enemies and items to fire off later, and has a three-part special move.

Wii Fit Trainer has a skill that is used for buffing damage of other moves

Rosalina is a Puppet Fighter, with a disjointed partner who mirrors her moves with variant moves of his own.

Little Mac's air game is horrid, and his ground game is horrifying. He also has a charge meter for one of his special moves that builds up as he fights.

Mii Fighters are three character types in one. They and Palutena are the only ones to have 16 possible moves, rather than four moves with three varitions.

Robin can swap out their currently-equipped weapons, which have limited uses and (maybe) can change the jab combo.

With the possible exceptions of Pac Man and Greninja, Sakurai really is going all-in with the "newcomers with unique mechanics" thing.

Fingers crossed for Isaac/Felix/Matthew, wielding the Djinn system, complete with variable Summon attacks.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#51131: Jul 18th 2014 at 6:42:10 PM

I want to focus on whether he/she has some kind of special ability that no other character does, and whether he/she contributes to making a better and more enjoyable gaming experience. Compared to these two primary concerns, "balance" and "fairness" are afterthoughts.

Hoo boy. I'm sure some people are already using this to abandon all hope of a play experience more balanced than what came before. Personally, if I had to rate "uniqueness" or "fairness" above the other, I'd go with fairness.

Remember, this is a quote from before the Smash Invitational, before Sakurai said that watching the Invitational had inspired him in some way. It's possible that his stance on this has since changed, at least a little, and it's been pretty clear that the fourth game is at least trying to be more balanced than Brawl.

I agree with what [up][up][up][up][up]Elbruno said above. He may have said that balance and fairness were afterthoughts, but that doesn't mean he never considers them.

edited 18th Jul '14 6:42:20 PM by Customer

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#51132: Jul 18th 2014 at 7:00:17 PM

But the word "afterthought" always implies that something is very unimportant, done only because there's nothing else to do so you might as well.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#51133: Jul 18th 2014 at 7:27:11 PM

Mike Z does it too but he compensates by always making the characters underpowered first. Then once the character gets close to completion he buffs them up for testing and sees where they need to be balanced. then they end up underpowered again Not sure if Sakurai does that.

edited 18th Jul '14 7:27:18 PM by Nap1100

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51134: Jul 18th 2014 at 8:49:55 PM

... So guys.

This isn't an Arcfire tome. This is a Bolganone tome. Arcfire only has the cross, not the circle around it.

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#51135: Jul 18th 2014 at 8:57:40 PM

I don't see no volcano blast there Pulsey.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51136: Jul 18th 2014 at 8:58:43 PM

I'm just saying- Either the graphics guys got sloppy or there's even more to Robin that Sakurai hasn't told us.

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#51137: Jul 18th 2014 at 8:59:35 PM

I didn't even know Bolganone GOT a separate tome graphic, btw.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51138: Jul 18th 2014 at 9:03:10 PM

Yeah- All the tomes in awakening have distinct colors and marks. The basic Thunder tome has a two-angle lightning bolt, the Elthunder one has four angles, Arcthunder has a four-point star, and Thoron has an arrow-y shape, for example.

edited 18th Jul '14 9:03:52 PM by Pulse

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#51139: Jul 18th 2014 at 9:20:50 PM

Yeah, and you could totally charge up your tomes to get stronger attacks. So stop assuming that everything is accurate or there has to be a lot of deeper stuff there.

edited 18th Jul '14 9:21:37 PM by TPPR10

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DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#51140: Jul 18th 2014 at 9:22:59 PM

I'm fairly late to the Waluigi discussion, but I'm willing to bet that him being shown with the Wario emblem was more than likely a mistake.

After all, the Spanish version of the Brawl site has a Mushroom emblem on Green Hill Zone so this kinda thing isn't unprecedented.

Vgm3 This is the Monado's power! from Miami, Florida Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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#51141: Jul 18th 2014 at 9:37:51 PM

Hey guys, I've got a question, did Sakurai ever mention wanting Little Mac in Brawl?

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#51142: Jul 18th 2014 at 9:41:06 PM

Bolganone wasn't a volcanic blast in Awakening. It, like many spells, got a super-simplified animation in Awakening. In Bolganone's case, a targeted explosion of fire.

I must say, it makes me miss the awesome-looking spell animations Radiant Dawn had.

Amusingly, Smash doesn't have the Awakening version of Arcfire's animation either. In Awakening, Arcfire is sort of like a flamethrower, spraying from the mage's hand.

edited 18th Jul '14 9:42:07 PM by Enlong

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#51143: Jul 18th 2014 at 9:46:57 PM

Actually, Bolganone is a slosh of lava from a spell circle formed on the ground.

But yeah, the Arcfire animation isn't at all like the Smash version- But they'd still get the mark on the tome right, surely!

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Vgm3 This is the Monado's power! from Miami, Florida Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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#51144: Jul 18th 2014 at 9:51:07 PM

I'm pretty sure that Arcfire isn't one of Robin's moves. It's Elfire.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#51145: Jul 18th 2014 at 9:52:40 PM

He says "Arcfire" ("Gigafire" in the JPN trailer). And later in the trailer she says it again.

edit:

So, I noticed that Robin's currently-equippd tome seems to alter Robin's jab combo, if not other moves. Early in the trailer, Robin seems to do a jab combo while holding a fire book, and it's a sword swipe followed by an explosion. Later in the trailer, Robin does another jab combo, but this time with a wind book, which produces a swift flurry of wind blades. The common thread between them is that Robin starts the jab with a swor swipe.

So, that's a cool quirk of Robin's moveset.

edited 18th Jul '14 9:57:44 PM by Enlong

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Vgm3 This is the Monado's power! from Miami, Florida Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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#51146: Jul 18th 2014 at 10:04:44 PM

[up] Damn, you were right. How bizarre, I'm playing Awakening right now and that move really looks like Elfire. Ah well.

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#51148: Jul 18th 2014 at 10:40:56 PM

FUUUTURE

FUUUTURE

FUUUUTURE

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#51149: Jul 18th 2014 at 10:44:48 PM

So that's the Bad Future Lucina is trying to avert.

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#51150: Jul 18th 2014 at 10:45:59 PM

A future where her father is everywhere and everything probably doesn't fit her criteria of "Bad Future."

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