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#50976: Jul 17th 2014 at 7:57:49 PM

I like how they've unofficially reintroduced the veterans with the newcomer videos...Mr. Game and Watch with Pac-Man and Captain Falcon with the Fire Emblemites.

They probably couldn't do that with all the old characters, but when they can...

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#50977: Jul 17th 2014 at 7:58:52 PM

Captain Falcon wasn't an unofficial reveal. He was added on the site along with Robin and Lucina.

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#50978: Jul 17th 2014 at 8:26:38 PM

It's less of Lucina being a character thats lazy, but the fact that they had Chrom, he couldn't find a way to make him unique, and cut him. But he also didn't want to decrease the roster. So he just said "screw it." and made an Alt into a clone. Even if there are differences in her specials and normals, they seem to be pretty minor.

He couldn't make Chrom unique, so he cut him for...a clone? It doesn't seem to add up right.

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#50979: Jul 17th 2014 at 8:28:44 PM

Chrom wasn't cut, they never planned to include him.

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#50980: Jul 17th 2014 at 8:28:52 PM

Well, Lucina, alt or clone, was gonna be in the game regardless of if Chrom was playable or not. Robin really was the one who beat him out.

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edited 17th Jul '14 8:29:18 PM by nigelstack345

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#50981: Jul 17th 2014 at 8:33:59 PM

We'll be getting some WAAAAAAAAA soon enough.

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#50983: Jul 17th 2014 at 8:48:53 PM

All he said was that Chrom was "considered".

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#50984: Jul 17th 2014 at 8:50:07 PM

[up][up]I got the impression from the source that Chrom was someone who was evaluated as a possible contender, not the one who was decided on as the newcomer at any point.

...people really need to quit whining about Lucina. She's a slightly ascended alt and a nice bonus with no cost to anyone else's slot.

edited 17th Jul '14 8:50:37 PM by RavenKingSage

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#50985: Jul 17th 2014 at 8:54:18 PM

Regarding Lucina, I'm a bit disappointed to hear she's a full clone, but it's better than an empty slot in my opinion, so I'm glad to have her.

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#50986: Jul 17th 2014 at 8:56:37 PM

Chrom was never in development, so that's not a "cut".

Sakurai considered him, but he couldn't think of any way to make him unique.

He wasn't "replaced" with Lucina, she was added as a costume for Marth before he decided to make some small changes to her and give her a slot. Which doesn't take much effort, so hardly "stealing" anyone's spot.

Robin was chosen over Chrom, not Lucina. Don't blame her.

Anyway, even as a clone of Marth, I think she's way better choice for a newcomer than Chrom.

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#50987: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:24:11 PM

A Vocal Minority lamenting that a clone replaced another. I can't stop laughing at the realization of how ironic that is. [lol]

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#50988: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:25:38 PM

I hated Roy in Melee and felt he wasted a slot. I hope I won't feel the same for Lucina.

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#50989: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:32:41 PM

Slots can't be wasted because there is no hard roster limit and clones take much less work than other characters, so removing a clone wouldn't get a fully original character in.

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#50990: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:38:39 PM

So we've got a Mother anniversary coming up July 27. Think Ness or Lucas will appear around that time?

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#50993: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:50:25 PM

Pretty much what Moth 13 said. Also, if we're going to get a quick clone, might as well pad out the female roster a little(especially with a character who can't be male too). It's a win-win, imo. I can't wait to see how different Lucina is. Probably minor.

That said, since Sakurai changed Ike's flames to blue now, I would not mind Roy as an alt for him with the only difference being his flames are red in that particular set of costumes. I know he'd be easy to make a quick clone with some minute differences, possibly just his old B moves.

If Sakurai wants to pad out the roster after putting all the bigger characters(as in how much time they take to make) in, I don't mind these clones. It means more and more, and they aren't actually the same overall, which brings an interesting and fun set of gameplay to the overall series. I've loved them all, honestly. Yes, even Pichu(but I find him way easier to play than regular Pikachu in Melee, not that he's better, but Pika's major nerf didn't help).

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#50994: Jul 17th 2014 at 10:58:03 PM

If they would give Ike a red haired lord as an alt, it'd need to be Eliwood. Else he'd have to fiddle with height and we'd have a full slot character rather than an alt.

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#50996: Jul 17th 2014 at 11:21:23 PM

When you mentioned Eliwood, I suddenly remembered Lyn. I wonder if she'll return (if so, most likely as an assist).

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#50997: Jul 17th 2014 at 11:21:23 PM

^^Huh, interesting, so when time limit is coming to end, they don't do long funny animations anymore

^I think shes already confirmed to be assist trophy

edited 17th Jul '14 11:21:41 PM by SpookyMask

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#50998: Jul 17th 2014 at 11:23:21 PM

Someone actually pointed out how not having those closer to time up is actually a good refinement of mechanics:

Okay, this is actually a really good mechanics update showing the EXTREME thoughtfulness going into this game. In Melee and Brawl, screen slam vs star KO is random when you kill up. Star KO has a longer animation, but the KO isn't registerred until either animation finishes. That means if you kill off the top very close to the time over, it can come down to RNG whether the kill counts before the game ends. I've actually lost a tournament match to that, getting a star KO at the last second when a screen slam would have been fast enough to win me the game. This change is that, if time over is close, you'll always screen slam off vertical K Os which is the faster animation and guarantees RNG won't play a factor in your wins in those down to the wire matches.

So yeah, it seems small, but seriously, this is one of those little changes that really does just help the game out. Good update.

edited 17th Jul '14 11:23:36 PM by edvedd

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#50999: Jul 17th 2014 at 11:28:12 PM

Hooray for Anti-Frustration Features!

Though, those are always hilarious. I "won" a match during sudden death that way. Got star ko'ed, and while he was watching me die my opponent got blindsided by the "hurry up" bobombs and died off the side.

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#51000: Jul 17th 2014 at 11:40:51 PM

Hiding on edge of the screen was my bestest friend when things like that could happen...or knowing where Bob-ombs would spawn the least or "not at all"

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