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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#50851: Jul 16th 2014 at 9:26:55 PM

[up]Meh, I do SSE on Extreme all the time. It isn't very... extreme.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#50852: Jul 16th 2014 at 9:33:41 PM

Marth is on the cover of the 3DS version, so he's almost certainly a starter.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#50853: Jul 16th 2014 at 9:40:45 PM

Wait, sorry, Intense. Forgot the names.

I have a message from another time...
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#50854: Jul 16th 2014 at 9:41:06 PM

[up][up]That means Rosalina must be a starter as well. Great news for me then!

edited 16th Jul '14 9:41:23 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Vgm3 This is the Monado's power! from Miami, Florida Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
This is the Monado's power!
#50855: Jul 16th 2014 at 10:19:42 PM

Full Translation of that magazine that Sakurai was in talking about Robin and Lucina.

Poor Chrom man. One second everyone thinks he's an inevitability, the next second everyone pokes fun at the guy.

Now's it's Shulk Time!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#50856: Jul 16th 2014 at 10:21:02 PM

In the game itself, if he shows up someone's shit is getting wrecked. He got out just fine.

I sure said that!
Null ... from ... Since: Apr, 2009
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#50857: Jul 16th 2014 at 10:25:10 PM

Though the fact that even there his introduction features him getting one-shotted by Robin does him no favours.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#50858: Jul 16th 2014 at 10:36:34 PM

5 pages in 1 night... what did I miss?

Captain Falcon confirmed!

Further confirmation that F-Zero and Fire Emblem go together. Clearly they need a crossover.

edited 16th Jul '14 10:58:49 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Agares Since: Nov, 2013
#50859: Jul 16th 2014 at 11:02:57 PM

Looking back, what did Chrom have going for him that makes him not being a playable character in SSB 4 surprising?

He's not the most important character in Awakening.

edited 16th Jul '14 11:03:16 PM by Agares

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#50860: Jul 16th 2014 at 11:08:14 PM

@Smash Roulette: I got Pikachu.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#50861: Jul 16th 2014 at 11:09:14 PM

He's the ostensible lead, like how IntSys insists that Micaiah actually was the lead of Radiant Dawn even though Ike did pretty much everything that mattered.

I sure said that!
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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#50864: Jul 17th 2014 at 12:41:23 AM

"After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A"

...why do people keep saying that??

they basically have no connection at all besides lucina using his name, a really deformed version of his blade, and being his decendant millenia down the line. thats not a close relationship and the only time they even meet is during the dlcs where at best, lucina will be cutting him down (although will still be in awe of meeting the hero king like pretty much everyone else)

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#50865: Jul 17th 2014 at 1:21:16 AM

Because it's easier to say that than to say everything you did.

Also, Tiki notes that, personality wise, they're very similar as well.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#50866: Jul 17th 2014 at 1:30:23 AM

And of course, at least within Awakening itself, both Lucina and Marth's Einherjar use the exact same sword-fighting style, so it's fairly appropriate for Lucina to be included the way she is.

I sure said that!
Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#50867: Jul 17th 2014 at 1:46:56 AM

[up]im not argueing that, just this constant "close connection/relationship with marth in fe:a" thing, which is utter bullshit. they dont have anything like a close connection or relationship in awakening.

KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
#50868: Jul 17th 2014 at 4:31:24 AM

Looking back, what did Chrom have going for him that makes him not being a playable character in SSB 4 surprising?

Gematsu Leak. Of course, it turned out to be wrong in the end.

edited 17th Jul '14 4:31:45 AM by KSonik

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#50869: Jul 17th 2014 at 5:14:00 AM

The most important things regarding Robin and Lucina:

Robin:

Robin appears in the game as a Tactician and functions much like a Mystic Knight (note: FF terminology, but equivalent to magic swordsman). I thought to utilize his all-around nature by assigning swordplay to his Smash attacks and magic tomes to his special attacks—that is, allow him to use magic.

His neutral special is thunder magic that grows stronger the larger you charge it. He uses fire magic for his side special, and wind magic for recovery as his up special. Although Robin doesn't use dark magic in FE:A, I decided to assign it as his down special. It isn't the first time I've given moves to a character that they don't use in their respective game in order to capture certain aspects of the original title.

I also implemented the system used in FE:A, in which tomes break after overuse. Likewise, I included a similar system for the Levin Sword, which breaks after a certain number of uses. However, both the tomes and the Levin Sword will quickly regenerate after a set period of time.

Lucina:

Lucina uses the same techniques as Marth, a fighter with whom I'm sure most of you are already familiar. I even went so far as to make their strength, speed, and special attacks almost identical. However, what sets Lucina apart is the fact that the strength of her attacks is uniform along the blade. Marth's playstyle emulates the elegant swordplay of a fencer by dealing more damage when he strikes with the tip of his blade, but the damage Lucina deals is evened out. Thus, I think that Lucina will be much easier than Marth for novice players to play with.

Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup.

However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ. When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!

On why Chrom got the cut:

I played all the way through FE:A and really wanted to include a character from that rich cast in Smash Bros. Naturally, I considered adding Chrom to the roster, but the decision wasn't easy by any means.

At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics.

Conversely, when the idea of including Robin came to mind, conceiving the character was so easy that I immediately saw how it would work. From standards to specials, grabs to throws, all aspects of his moveset just fell into place. Not only did he possess characteristics unlike other fighters, but he also captured the essence of the Fire Emblem series. It was perfect!

Summary:

  • Robin was practically a shoe-in according to Sakurai's logic, because he was able to bring something unique to the roster (being a magic swordsman in contrast to the rest of them being pure swordsmen), and Sakurai could, and did, think up a suitable moveset for him.
  • Lucina was originally supposed to be an alternate costume. Her separation from Marth naturally occurred when the damage from her sword was evened out to contrast to Marth's playstyle, as that made her different enough from Marth to warrant a separate slot in the roster.
  • Chrom got the cut because Sakurai felt he couldn't differentiate him from the rest.
  • Robin being able to use dark magic is the classic Sakurai handwave: A character representing their game gets something they couldn't use within the normal rules in order to show aspects of their games that would otherwise be left behind.
  • Both the tomes and the Levin Sword will regenerate after a set period of time. This probably didn't surprise anyone.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#50870: Jul 17th 2014 at 5:23:06 AM

Well, Robin can use Dark Magic.

Just not while in the Tactician class, and not at the same time as having swords and Anima magic.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#50871: Jul 17th 2014 at 5:24:57 AM

Note how I said "couldn't use within the normal rules".

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#50872: Jul 17th 2014 at 5:25:15 AM

It's not like Robin couldn't use Dark tomes anyway- They have access to every class that isn't gender-locked, including the relevant Dark Mage -> Sorcerer chain- Just not as a Tactician.

EDIT: [nja], [nja] RAP

edited 17th Jul '14 5:26:35 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#50873: Jul 17th 2014 at 5:41:46 AM

In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes.

This strikes me as significant. Can you say "Dark Pit"?

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#50874: Jul 17th 2014 at 5:42:16 AM

Also, Lucina has taken the place of someone else, but that's because that particular someone was no longer viable to develop for some reason or other.

[up] Pretty much. Also probably why Female Robin is included. (And pretty much everyone else with gender variations.)

edited 17th Jul '14 5:43:21 AM by Folt

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#50875: Jul 17th 2014 at 6:07:32 AM

The most telling part is that, at the end of the day, the characters that Sakurai is willing to add in are those that bring something new to the table. Not particularly mind-blowing, and it has been rather apparent, but it's nice to hear. Even Lucina, clone that she is, has a role as a "novice Marth" according to Sakurai.

I'm definitely more receptive of Lucina being in as replacement for a character that unfortunately couldn't be worked in. Keeps the roster the same number without needing as much work, throws a bone for the fans, and is basically Sakurai trying to make up for what would otherwise be an empty spot. As a bonus, I think I can get by.

edited 17th Jul '14 6:09:19 AM by Watchtower


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