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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50676: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:52:42 PM

Why exactly would Chrom have been any less of a clone than Lucina? It's a plot point that they use the exact same fighting style.

edited 16th Jul '14 1:53:01 PM by Clarste

TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
#50677: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:53:07 PM

Here's the translation:

And the information from both these pages:

  • Lucina:
    • Lucina was originally included as a Marth skin.
    • "A certain character” was cut during development. (Chrom? Who knows. It's not clarified.)
    • Sakurai didn’t want to reduce the total number of characters.
    • It wasn’t possible to make a brand new character on short notice.
    • Lucina was repurposed into her own character slot to fill the void.
    • Lucina's Mask is toggleable via taunting, like Guile.

  • Captain Falcon:
    • Reverse Falcon Punch is back and does more damage if reverse.

  • Robin:
    • Robin's Forward Smash
      • This move strikes your opponent with Robin's Levin Sword. However, as you can only use Robin's Levin Sword attacks a certain number of times, once you've run out of uses, this attack will hit with a regular Bronze Sword instead.
    • Robin's Forward air attack
      • When performing this move, if you were to smash the analog stick in the forward direction, Robin will attack with his Thunder Sword for additional electric damage. But like all of Robin's Thunder Sword attacks, you can only use the improved version a finite number of times.
    • Down+B: Nosferatu
      • Purple-black smog in the shape of a snake appears right in front of Robin when this move is used. If your opponent is hit by it, he or she will be "cursed" by the spell. When a cursed opponent is hit, Robin's health meter will recover. What's also interesting is that if the cursed opponent is struck from the back, the amount of health Robin recovers will be larger.
    • Neutral B: Thunder
      • Hitting the button once will activate a charging period for Robin's Thunder spell, and hitting it again will cast it. The amount of time Robin charges will determine the version of the spell cast (Thunder, Elthunder, Arcthunder, or Thoron). While charging, you can also hit the shield button to cancel the move and store the charge — the next time you hit the B button, Robin will resume charging from wherever you left off previously.
    • Up+B: Elwind
      • When this special move is performed in the air, Robin produces two green projectiles that he sends flying downwards, which simultaneously propels him upwards. However, you can only use this move a limited number of times. Once you've exceeded the number of uses, Robin will not produce the projectiles or jump higher.
    • Side+B: Arcfire
      • Robin produces a projectile that flies diagonally downwards. When the projectile comes into contat with the stage, an opponent, or an item, it will generate a pillar of fire that spreads upwards, and deal area damage to anyone nearby.

edited 16th Jul '14 1:55:17 PM by TechPowah

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Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#50679: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:55:59 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I don't see how it proves that the leak isn't dead. Having one of your predictions disconfirmed AND outright lying about who would be revealed on Monday? I don't believe the "leaker".

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#50680: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:56:06 PM

Finally made that updated roster

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50681: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:57:15 PM

Hitting the button once will activate a charging period for Robin's Thunder spell, and hitting it again will cast it. The amount of time Robin charges will determine the version of the spell cast (Thunder, Elthunder, Arcthunder, or Thoron). While charging, you can also hit the shield button to cancel the move and store the charge — the next time you hit the B button, Robin will resume charging from wherever you left off previously.

So basically Samus' charge beam.

TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
#50682: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:58:05 PM

Let's also not forget that thanks to Robin, Rosalina's not the only character the leak missed anymore.

On another topic, the scan at the very least confirms that Robin actually does have Air Smashes, on a technicality.

edited 16th Jul '14 1:58:25 PM by TechPowah

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#50683: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:59:12 PM

@Eldrake: Considering the stuff they did get right, and the circumstances behind Lucina's inclusion, I say calling it dead is just as ridiculous as having taken it as the ultimate gospel. At this point, chances are the leaker is either one lucky bastard, or had outdated info.

If Shulk, or especially the Chorus Kids, are in, then chances are the leaker had old information; if not, we can bring the pitchforks.

edited 16th Jul '14 2:00:45 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#50684: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:59:30 PM

Lucina's Mask is toggleable via taunting, like Guile.

For real? grin Awesome.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#50685: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:00:43 PM

Like Guile? From Street Fighter? I'm pretty sure he doesn't wear a mask...

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#50686: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:01:12 PM

He wears bitchin' sunglasses in Ultra Street Fighter IV. Point is, they both have a swag on/swag off button.

edited 16th Jul '14 2:01:41 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#50687: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:01:43 PM

Or like Wesker's sunglasses.

Regarding the 180-Falcon Punch, that was already more powerful than the normal PAWNCH in Brawl.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#50688: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:03:37 PM

@Elbruno: Actually, that was apparently a mistranslation. http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-in-famitsu-lucina-robin-captain-falcon-kirbys-lucina-mask.361393/

"Maybe there's something on the rest of the page that mentions a cut character, but... I don't see why it wouldn't go along with the section on why she was included. No mention of cut characters or needing to fill in a removed spot."

edited 16th Jul '14 2:03:48 PM by Eldrake

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50689: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:04:13 PM

As expected.

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#50690: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:05:35 PM

Ah, the joys of incomplete pictures in a language most of us can't comprehend...

Anyway, part of me is glad that we know for sure that we can get more surprises (even though I had no doubts about that even when the leaker had nailed a lot of stuff), but I still feel that completely dismissing it is silly, considering the chance of mid-development changes. I'd rather wait and see if Shulk and the Chorus Boys made the cut.

edited 16th Jul '14 2:09:29 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50691: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:09:37 PM

Well, I've only been following this for like a day and a half after I heard elsewhere that Lucina and Robin were revealed, but from what I can tell there's a very peculiar conspiratorial slant to this fandom. If the translation weren't modified to suit a particular theory, or at least accused of doing so, I'd have been quite surprised.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50692: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:14:25 PM

下必殺フザ, 上必殺フザ

..are those b-moves or something? i cant quite figure out what its saying, only that it contains the words "down" and "certain kill" and i have no idea what フザ is...

Now that I actually look at the picture, you misread the katakana. It's ワザ, not フザ. It's waza,(技), meaning 'technique'. In this context, 必殺ワザ just means "special move". So literally, "up special", "down special", etc.

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
Editor of Posts
#50693: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:17:02 PM

Still not as bad as when people edited the Brawl trailer to include hints of Sonic appearing.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#50694: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:17:50 PM

ah, i see, thanks.

should probably have worn my glasses. im not..really sure why i didnt, to be honest.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50695: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:21:04 PM

Aww man, I was just about to clear up the katakana confusion.

That's... really weird, though. Why on earth are they calling specials that? "必殺" (hissatsu) has nothing to do with being special and everything to do with meaning "certain kill". Which, like, maybe in the case of Captain Falcon or something, but "special" is such a more fitting term because you'll usually rely on A-moves for actual damage and specials for special tricks...? Hell, a lot of them even serve the exact opposite function.

edited 16th Jul '14 2:22:55 PM by Fawriel

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50696: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:22:43 PM

It's an idiom, and has probably been used in fighting games since Street Fighter or something.

Think "killer app". It's their signature move that lets them win.

edited 16th Jul '14 2:30:52 PM by Clarste

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#50697: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:28:34 PM

Robin looks more and more wizardly the more information I get about him.

edited 16th Jul '14 2:28:49 PM by Folt

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50698: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:31:47 PM

Man, it sure would've helped if I had read on, like, one line further. Apparently it's not even just from fighting games.

Robin looks more and more wizardly the more information I get about him her.

[hums a happy song]

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50699: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:33:22 PM

I didn't mean it originated in fighting games (for some reason I imagine it being said by a particularly enthusiastic chess player), just that by now this is standard game terminology that no one really thinks about.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#50700: Jul 16th 2014 at 2:33:27 PM

[up][up]Him, Her, at this point can we just say Them?

edited 16th Jul '14 2:33:35 PM by ultimatepheer


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