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Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#50376: Jul 15th 2014 at 4:04:38 AM

it only really makes sense if chrom is also a marth clone, from a story perspective.

though i have no idea if their fighting styles are comparable, because i havent really thought about it, though chrom likes his arbitrary mid air flips.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#50378: Jul 15th 2014 at 4:44:02 AM

Chrom's style is a lot more rough, a bit between Ike and Marth, using Smash characters as a metric.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#50379: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:04:04 AM

"Her physical ablilites are identical to Marth's—it must be in her D.N.A."

Now Sakurai, you know that's -- what you just said ain't right.

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Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#50380: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:09:35 AM

If the only differences between Marth and Lucina are gonna be length and tht "tip of the sword" thing I didn't even know about until it was mentioned now I have to say I would have preferred it if she simply was an alt skin for Marth. I hope those rumours from E3 about Marth being heavier this time around are true (and I also hope that Lucina shares Robin's Final Smash) but why didn't Sakurai mention any of that?

edited 15th Jul '14 5:09:43 AM by Druplesnubb

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#50381: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:11:11 AM

The implication I'm getting is that Lucina was extremely easy to implement. Like, barely any work at all.

...

How about we instead talk about how cool it is that Ike's Eruption uses the blue flames now?

Or what the fuck Rayman is doing here?

edited 15th Jul '14 5:12:38 AM by Pulse

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#50382: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:17:35 AM

[up] No, we talk about Robin and how awesome he is because holy shit I love what they've done to him! cool

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#50383: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:21:38 AM

Re: Lucina's importance...

Wait, no. I'd better not make more debates.

Lucina's Falchion probably has a different (lack of) sweet spot due to a combination if reforming over the years, and the Awakening ritual.

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#50384: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:21:48 AM

Very broadly speaking, Lucina did inherit the Lord's Blue Hair from the Lord bloodlines of that continent of which Marth is one of.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50385: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:31:49 AM

Regarding Lucina, I actually didn't catch before that she's supposedly a little shorter. It would be interesting if that meant they didn't simply shrink her down, but instead made her a little smaller while retaining the same range as Marth. It's not a big difference, but having a higher attack-hitbox/character-hitbox ratio would still be a nice little plus.

Regarding Sakurai's bias, I firmly believe that he is, in fact, biased in some ways. ... I don't want to argue about it, really, but still.

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#50386: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:33:33 AM

The only place I could see a bias is Kid Icarus's enemies in Smash Run, but...

So Ike has blue flames now? Nice that everyone can shut up about that.tongue

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#50387: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:35:49 AM

Yeah- In the debut video for Robin, Ike slams into the ground with a weakly charged eruption, and Ragnell is definitely cloaked in blue flames when he does so.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#50388: Jul 15th 2014 at 5:36:41 AM

He did show Male Robin before Female Robin, and Male Robin appears to be the default one, but that may have been done in order to contrast nicely with Lucina, given that Robin is a spellcaster first and swordfighter second.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#50389: Jul 15th 2014 at 6:17:06 AM

So on a whim I decided to suss out the ratio of male and female characters so far. Of the thus-far officially-confirmed Smash 4 characters, 22 are male, 8 are female, 4 have an option to play as either male or female, and 2 are ambiguously-gendered (although I feel I should note that those two, Greninja and Charizard, are likely to be male due to gender ratios).

Of the newcomers, there is an equal number of female and male characters (6 are one or the other and 4 can be either).

EDIT: Also I just noticed that marking down Chrom won't actually help me get a bingo. I would then need either both He-Who-Must-Be-Spoiler-Tagged and Ghirahim, or both Snake and Tharja.

EDIT 2: OH GODS I FORGOT TO MARK MII AND CAPTAIN FALCON. I GOT BINGO. grin

edited 15th Jul '14 6:22:51 AM by Zarek

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#50390: Jul 15th 2014 at 6:31:30 AM

Somehow, Lucina looks a lot manlier than Marth does.

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#50391: Jul 15th 2014 at 6:34:41 AM

[up][up]With or without Chrom?

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#50392: Jul 15th 2014 at 6:40:30 AM

Without! I had Toon Link, Olimar, Mii, Captain Falcon, and the free space.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#50393: Jul 15th 2014 at 6:45:23 AM

@Zarek: Only two are ambiguously gendered? What about Yoshi and Kirby? Sakurai has said Kirby might be female, and Miyamoto said he wasn't sure if Yoshi is male or female.

edited 15th Jul '14 6:47:35 AM by CassidyTheDevil

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#50394: Jul 15th 2014 at 6:46:03 AM

[up][up] Wonderful. Only got 3 or so spots correct, and only in random spaces...

Nice of Sakurai to clear things up now. Now it really does look like Lucy is Smash's Decapre.

edited 15th Jul '14 6:46:17 AM by nigelstack345

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#50395: Jul 15th 2014 at 6:49:18 AM

[up][up]Oh, I didn't know either of those. So, that'd be 4 ambiguous and only (and I use the word "only" loosely) 20 male.

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#50396: Jul 15th 2014 at 8:15:21 AM

Here's a thought.

The Gamexplain guys are pegging Wind spells as Robin's recovery move; blasting the enemy and recoiling upwards.

Taking that into account, do you think the trailer suggests how that move will work? The trailer shows Robin attacking Falcon with wind blasts, and is then seen hovering with some kind of wind aura. Do you think Robin's Wind spells will also bestow a slow-fall effect like Peach's and Game-And-Watch's?

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#50397: Jul 15th 2014 at 8:16:29 AM

Y'know, despite my overall not-liking of clone characters, I'm not minding Lucina too much. Can't say exactly why, but I just don't have much of a problem with her presence. Maybe it's the fact that she has a damn good reason to fight similarly to Marth, and that she was introduced alongside a cool looking brand-new character.

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#50398: Jul 15th 2014 at 8:21:23 AM

I don't know why people hate clone characters so much. Some of my favorite characters are clones or started out as clones.

The only clone I actually have a problem with is Ganondorf.

edited 15th Jul '14 8:21:40 AM by Halberdier17

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#50399: Jul 15th 2014 at 8:25:40 AM

It's mostly because of the no-effort vibe they tend to give (why give him the same moveset if he has different abilities in his game?), and because others just are the same freaking character (Dr. Mario and Pichu).

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#50400: Jul 15th 2014 at 8:26:59 AM

I don't really have a problem with this particular clone either. She's a great character in her native game, she has a very good reason to fight like Marth, and she took pretty much no development time compared to other newcomers. We basically got a freebie.

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