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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50351: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:33:03 AM

I'm a simple man. Lucina is cute. So is Robin. That's all I ask for, really.

That might be a bit of a letdown given my fervent support of Robin. (I did totally play the Awakening demo recently, though.) (And before that I follow Sailorleo's liveblog of the game on Tumblr.) (I'm practically a Fire Emblem: Awakening expert.)

mrsunshinesprinkles Forever Gorgeous from Somewhere, crying Since: Jan, 2012
Forever Gorgeous
#50352: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:34:03 AM

[up][up]Lyndis says hi.

She has…Almost zero consequence on Eliwood and Hector's journey.

Almost.

I still like her, but that is the truth.

edited 15th Jul '14 1:34:28 AM by mrsunshinesprinkles

"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
mrsunshinesprinkles Forever Gorgeous from Somewhere, crying Since: Jan, 2012
Forever Gorgeous
#50354: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:35:52 AM

Oh she definitely is. Badass to boot.

edited 15th Jul '14 1:36:02 AM by mrsunshinesprinkles

"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50355: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:38:46 AM

At least Lyndis has her own story mode and unique class. Lucina is gameplay clone of Chrom from the same game albeit with second generation bonuses, who you can let die with no consequence.

RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA
#50356: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:38:48 AM

I was going to say that the "least relevant Lord" title is reserved solely for Lyn, but it looks like someone beat me to it.

Hmm. So she has the same moveset but two different properties. So that means she gets her own slot, but she didn't take anywhere near the development time that your average newcomer gets.

I'm glad Sakurai explained at least. I honestly wasn't expecting a straight answer from him.

Now we can put that to rest, and I can stop being called a moron by people in this thread (though not by name) for taking the unpopular side of the argument and trusting the gameplay footage over the promotional material.

edited 15th Jul '14 1:39:16 AM by RavenKingSage

What is a fandom? A miserable little pile of flame wars! 3DS FC: 0387-9377-7408 PSN ID: Raven King Sage
mrsunshinesprinkles Forever Gorgeous from Somewhere, crying Since: Jan, 2012
Forever Gorgeous
#50357: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:39:48 AM

She technically keeps plot relevance; she just bows out of the fight when she dies, even in classic.

"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50358: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:41:36 AM

No, she lost plot relevance after she joins the party, whether she dies or not. Seriously, pay attention, she literally does nothing that affects the plot after that. In fact, she does nothing before that either since even though she came from the future to give a warning, the people she warned decide that doing absolutely nothing about it is the best policy.

Don't let her cuteness fool you. Awakening is 100% about Chrom and Robin's bromance.

edited 15th Jul '14 1:42:49 AM by Clarste

RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA
#50359: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:45:52 AM

Chapter 21 would like a word with you. I'd say that almost killing the Avatar due to her determination not to let the Bad Future come to pass is a big deal.

Unrelated: That Game FA Qs quote from earlier was just depressing.

edited 15th Jul '14 1:46:43 AM by RavenKingSage

What is a fandom? A miserable little pile of flame wars! 3DS FC: 0387-9377-7408 PSN ID: Raven King Sage
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50360: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:51:41 AM

Except she doesn't?

I'm not saying she doesn't exist, I'm saying she doesn't affect the plot. It would be trivial to rewrite the story without her. You really don't have to change anything.

Unlike Lyn, who is the subject of an extended tutorial and has her own plotline. Whether or not it's relevant to the other plotline of the game, she still has more presence, and you'd need to come up with a separate way to introduce the characters that first join her, etc.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50361: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:52:03 AM

You and me both, Raven, my friend.

Awakening is 100% about Chrom and Robin's bromance. shipping.
ftfy

mrsunshinesprinkles Forever Gorgeous from Somewhere, crying Since: Jan, 2012
Forever Gorgeous
#50362: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:57:04 AM

…I'll concede to that point.

Lyndis and Lucina have about equal relevance, then, or…Irrelevance, then. Lucina's more closely tied to the main conflict, while Lyndis's Tale fleshes out and builds up some side scrubs.

"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50363: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:58:29 AM

Actually, I did the Chrom/Robin shipping thing out of curiosity, to see if it would change the scene in any way, and was disappointed. Lucina's willing to kill her mother to save her father...

edited 15th Jul '14 1:58:42 AM by Clarste

mrsunshinesprinkles Forever Gorgeous from Somewhere, crying Since: Jan, 2012
Forever Gorgeous
#50364: Jul 15th 2014 at 2:01:19 AM

Lucy backed out at the last moment, there. And she wasn't planning to kill her mommy to save daddy; It was more like she was trying to kill mommy to save everyone else.

-insert that Wrath of Khan quote I can't be bothered to remember-

edited 15th Jul '14 3:13:51 AM by Mrsunshinesprinkles

"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50365: Jul 15th 2014 at 2:02:55 AM

Of course, the OTP is Robin/Stahl for some arbitrary reason.

edited 15th Jul '14 2:09:26 AM by Clarste

RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA
#50366: Jul 15th 2014 at 2:10:17 AM

[up][up]You might want to spoiler tag that.

edited 15th Jul '14 2:10:38 AM by RavenKingSage

What is a fandom? A miserable little pile of flame wars! 3DS FC: 0387-9377-7408 PSN ID: Raven King Sage
TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA
#50368: Jul 15th 2014 at 2:12:09 AM

Well, the Internet will unavoidably spoil the whole thing anyway. Coro Coro might as well try to beat them to it.

What is a fandom? A miserable little pile of flame wars! 3DS FC: 0387-9377-7408 PSN ID: Raven King Sage
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#50369: Jul 15th 2014 at 2:25:18 AM

Being a fighting game, roster's gonna get spoiled the first chance the internet gets. So yeah.

Lol

edited 15th Jul '14 2:36:36 AM by Watchtower

paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#50370: Jul 15th 2014 at 3:01:04 AM

In regards to Gamefaqs and the word "bias": Gamefaqs thinks Sakurai has a bias for everything.

- Has a Mario and a Pokemon bias because they have the most characters - Has a Kid Icarus and Kirby bias because he puts things from those games in there - Nintendo has a Rosalina bias, because they've never introduced Mario characters in games and reincorporated them in bigger roles later (or atleast not since 92) - Has a bias against Donkey Kong because the Gematsu leak doesnt have and DK characters.

I can go on, but as everyone else said, don't go to Gamefaqs for real human opinions on things. Or for an actual definition of the word "bias"

GavsEvans123 HAAAA! from the new ruins level (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
HAAAA!
#50371: Jul 15th 2014 at 3:21:10 AM

I think we're neglecting the most important part of Coro Coro planning to leak Smash Bros 4. It will have all the cotton in a large capture supplement!

Cortex should take a 12-step plan off a 10-step pier
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#50372: Jul 15th 2014 at 3:35:08 AM

If a pure clone is doable, I have no worries about a very large roster while adding even more clones or even bringing some old ones back. Or even free DLC with clones(not so much the last one). Also, this just makes me think Falco and Wolf are both locks again(and possibly getting Krystal for a 4th, but I'm not entirely counting on that). Also, I don't mind clones myself, since the more choices, the better, imo.

Shadow?
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50373: Jul 15th 2014 at 3:46:38 AM

I think there are downsides to having clones though, even if you're a fan of the character. Having them be a "lesser" character without an original moveset can be a worse insult than not being included at all. I think for a cameo game in particular it's important to make each character feel at least a bit unique and special. If they really wanted they could have 50000 characters from every frachise that are only Mario clones, but I don't think that would be fun for very many people.

That said, I'm expecting Lucina to have a different Final Smash.

edited 15th Jul '14 3:48:07 AM by Clarste

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#50374: Jul 15th 2014 at 3:57:04 AM

Having them playable is the best thing I can hope for. So I can't see how it's an insult(or at least could not agree any less). If the characters are completely identical with no move differences(that includes any properties whatsoever), I don't mind an alt, but if they're not, their own slot makes sense.

Also, it's not like this'll cost us tons of characters, so the more the merrier. I'm still glad Chrom shows up as a small cameo, since he should appear. He's still important to Awakening, after all.

Shadow?
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#50375: Jul 15th 2014 at 4:01:53 AM

At least Lucina being a Marth clone makes sense storywise. That and her being a popular character are the only reasons I'm okay with it.

edited 15th Jul '14 4:02:12 AM by Nap1100


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