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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50326: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:06:43 AM

I don't think there's any room for doubt. Skimming the thread, it seems to mostly be the skeptical minority arguing for a golden mean fallacy where their crazy nonsense theory is given the same weight as common sense simply because "there's no hard proof either way".
Really now, Clarste? That kind of stings, coming from you.

Whatever.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#50327: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:07:56 AM

[up][up]It's a birthmark of the Exalt's bloodline, indicating those who were chosen by Falchion and all that other world-building fluff.

As for its function, it's used by Lucina to prove to Chrom that she's his daughter.

edited 15th Jul '14 12:08:59 AM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#50328: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:09:35 AM

Hm, didn't Lucina say something about a "father" during the debut trailer (I could hardly hear what anyone was saying until the trailer switched to gameplay)? Would this count as another Late-Arrival Spoiler on Sakurai's part?

edited 15th Jul '14 12:10:05 AM by Customer

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#50329: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:10:06 AM

So does that mean Marth has it too?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#50331: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:11:04 AM

It's on different places for each person.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#50332: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:12:14 AM

[up][up][up][up]Yep. Though it could easily be argued that Lucina's a Walking Spoiler to an extent.

[up][up][up]Marth himself isn't in Awakening's story proper, so it isn't really established whether or not it reaches that far back.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#50333: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:15:58 AM

[up][up]I feel sorry for whoever winds up with the mark of Naga on their butt cheek.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50334: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:18:52 AM

Really now, Clarste? That kind of stings, coming from you.

Whatever.

To be honest, I couldn't tell which side of the debate you were on. Actually, knowing you were on a particular side changes my impression of the whole thing because "minority" was an important part of my impression.

But sorry anyway. Also now that there is hard proof the whole thing is irrelevant anyway.

TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#50335: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:19:40 AM

[up][up] Heard that story before.

edited 15th Jul '14 12:19:52 AM by TPPR10

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#50336: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:20:35 AM

[up][up]So once again, the day is saved... by actually waiting for hard information directly from the source.

edited 15th Jul '14 12:20:51 AM by edvedd

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#50337: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:27:37 AM

I don't think Marth has a mark, but maybe his children do? *shrugs* Its not ever really explained in that detail

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#50338: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:34:04 AM

While it is true that Marth is the ancestor of Chrom and Lucina (and Chrom's siblings and nephew, but hey, let's not get too off-track) it was an unnamed more recent ancestor that forged the pact with Naga and caused the mark to appear on his descendants. Chrom's is on his right shoulder, for reference.

There's a full two millenniums between the end of FE3/12 and the beginning of FE13, so yeah, lots of unspecified events.

edited 15th Jul '14 12:35:39 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50339: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:38:55 AM

She said 'For my father'
She says she'll protect him.

To be honest, I couldn't tell which side of the debate you were on. Actually, knowing you were on a particular side changes my impression of the whole thing because "minority" was an important part of my impression.

But sorry anyway. Also now that there is hard proof the whole thing is irrelevant anyway.

Eh, it was a bullshit argument. I fully expected that no matter what would be revealed about Lucina, everyone would say that that's exactly what they said was going to happen, because everyone was so certain of their stance in an argument about something incredibly nebulous.*

I did start hoping at some point that she'd be confirmed to be an alt with no separate slot just to force some of the more obnoxious people from the argument to eat their words. Which is petty, but... yeah.

*I eventually moved away from insisting that she's nothing but an alt and conceding that she probably has her own slot and maybe a slight alteration. And evidently without that alteration she would have been implemented as an alt costume after all. So I get to feel like I was right just like everyone else.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50340: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:41:25 AM

In happier news, now we can hate on her for being a clone character. Just like the good old days before she was announced.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#50341: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:42:13 AM

At least she's low effort probably.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50343: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:44:17 AM

Seriously though, it's kind of weird that she has a different sweet spot on her sword, given that she has the exact same sword passed down through the generations.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#50344: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:45:10 AM

Lucina does make more sense as Marth clone than Roy did <_<

Then again, Roy's game wasn't released yet when Melee was done so yeah

^To be fair, the old falchion looked like this tongue Which is actually the sword Marth uses in this game. Artstyle design changes! Time paradoxes!

edited 15th Jul '14 12:47:01 AM by SpookyMask

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#50345: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:47:59 AM

Seriously, kinda weird that Falchion changed from thin blade to rather broad one <_< Dunno how that makes sense in universe, I think you aren't supposed to think about it :P

edited 15th Jul '14 12:48:17 AM by SpookyMask

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#50346: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:52:57 AM

I assume Lucina is probably a late addition to the roster, like Melee's clones. Sakurai figured he could cram one more fighter in without having to make a full moveset. Would also explain Fire Emblem getting four characters despite being more of a three-character series.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50347: Jul 15th 2014 at 12:57:05 AM

Awakening was apparently surprisingly popular for Nintendo, so they're cashing in on it. No surprise or conspiracy theories needed.

As it is, Lucina is basically Roy, except a girl.

edited 15th Jul '14 12:57:22 AM by Clarste

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50348: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:12:04 AM

In happier news, now we can hate on her for being a clone character. Just like the good old days before she was announced.
Honestly, give me more clones like that. It's obvious that they wouldn't have given FE so many characters if one of them hadn't been so very easy to create. This way, you get more variety and more representation for little extra workload, and given how small the difference between them (probably) is, they wouldn't dilute the balance of the game, either, because they'd always be close to their original counterparts in terms of power anyway.

How often does it happen that a high-level Marth player doesn't sweetspot with his attacks? She'll obviously have a lower ceiling for her potential given that she has less power at no difference in speed or range, although unlike Roy, her effective range isn't reduced by virtue of a weak tip, so she won't be worse to the extent Roy was. I do wonder if the increased safeness of her attacks would make up for the raw power. Though given that the best Marth players even make use of his sourspots, she'll probably be nothing but a weaker Marth competitively speaking.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#50349: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:17:28 AM

Glad to see the Lucina question get nipped right in the bud. Best to clear that up before it gets messier than it already is.

Can't say I'm all that excited for Lucina though. Nothing against Lucina herself (I'm sure her fans are thrilled); I'm just not a fan of clone characters. I mean, as much as people compare this to Link and Toon Link, at least those two are very different aesthetically and have strong potential for decloning. Hell, at least Roy could set people on fire and blow himself up. This, as far as I can tell, is literally just a little bit of variable shifting.

But whatever, I guess. If this really is Sakurai trying to cram her in last minute, then at least he chose the character that is practically a female Marth to be the Marth clone.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#50350: Jul 15th 2014 at 1:28:30 AM

I'm not a fan of Lucina even in her own game (probably the least relevant Lord in the translated entries of the series), but I think people give Roy too much credit. I would expect her to have slightly different particle effects, for example I noticed a rainbow pattern at the end of her side B combo, and almost certainly a different Final Smash. Throw in a different sweetspot and possibly being faster (remember the reports that Marth is a bit slower now?), and she's more different than Roy was.

But seriously, she had no purpose even in her own game.

edited 15th Jul '14 1:29:12 AM by Clarste


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