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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#50076: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:31:14 AM

Rinsankagujin: That's a completely different thing. I'm not saying she's a transformation of Marth, I'm saying she's a costume.

Swasfewses Hermit from New York Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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#50077: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:32:22 AM

This is the first trailer that hasn't really done much for me. Captain Falcon was kinda neat I guess.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#50078: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:33:10 AM

Oh my god, why is this still going on? We can't prove anything one way or the other so why don't we just drop it until a PotD or something reveals the truth?

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50079: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:33:53 AM

@Faw: I think we have some misunderstanding here. I am agreeing with what you're saying. She's a unique person, but she doesn't have a unique moveset.

I said that I won't argue that she ISN'T a clone. She pretty obviously is. But she's a clone who is also a separate character on the roster.

Ahh, hm. It depends on what you mean by "clone". Like, Luigi-style? Falco-style? Or the exact same moveset down to stats and everything, making her effectively an alt?

Either way, I'm starting to think that she will indeed have her own slot on the roster, if only because it would be weird to have her as a character in the game but not showing up on the select screen until you scroll through Marth's colors, and then the announcer suddenly goes "LUCINA!"...? Unless they'd show both in the same icon like Brawl!Sheik, but that wouldn't really make sense either because Sheik is still the same person, while Marth and Lucina are not nearly that closely connected...

I do still think it's most likely her moveset is ... at least practically the same, if only to lessen the workload. Though they've shown enough readiness to mess with stuff by letting you edit moves and character stats that I wouldn't put it past them to make Lucina a slightly changed clone.

I compared Shy Guys to both Villager and Mii Fighters for a reason. Villager is actually generic too. So is Pokemon Trainer and pretty much every Pokemon overall. Mewtwo and Pikachu are arguable, though.
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Show me proof Marth and Lucina share a spot. 1 piece of evidence. She has the newcomer banner and her own page. That's my evidence she's not, now show me yours.
At this point, she's a newcomer and completely her own character until proven otherwise. There is no reason to think an alt costume would be getting this treatment.
You guys... do realize that this isn't just Marth with longer hair, right...

God, okay, no. Super Smash Bros discussions are too much for me. I'll take my leave before my Smashboards PTSD acts up.

[up] Yes.

edited 14th Jul '14 11:34:55 AM by Fawriel

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#50081: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:38:50 AM

@Faw: Yes, we KNOW she isn't Marth with longer hair. That's kind of the point. No one is actually disagreeing with you there.

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DragonGeyser The Chew Toy of Gaming from a computer, DUH. Since: Dec, 2010
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#50082: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:38:55 AM

@nigelstack last page: Those were actually alternate colors like Wireframe Mac and Golfer Mario.

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#50083: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:40:48 AM

We've entered the sarcastic links stage. It's time to cut the power and reboot in a few hours.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#50084: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:42:11 AM

You're right. I've gotten to the point where I'm sure I'm agreeing with someone but apparently I'm not. Time for bed.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#50086: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:42:29 AM

Denial and misinterpretation can only get one so far. If any character should be an alt for someone else, that would go to Dr. Mario. It's the perfect alt choice, I'm surprised Sakurai hasn't done that yet.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#50087: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:44:55 AM

so apparantly magic tomes have the same two pages repeated over and over throughout the tome.

well it would make for fast reading..

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#50088: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:46:47 AM

Well, that explains how they can run out of uses I suppose tongue

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#50089: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:52:24 AM

They must be leather covers in which [N] copies of a magic scroll are bound. When you read a magic scroll, the text vanishes.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50090: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:55:15 AM

@Faw: Yes, we KNOW she isn't Marth with longer hair. That's kind of the point. No one is actually disagreeing with you there.
That was in response to the "an alt skin wouldn't get this treatment" argument, which would only hold water if she was nothing but an alt skin rather than an actually different person who is implemented as an alt skin.

I'm ... genuinely sorry for being so irritatingly confusing to you. Although I'm not 100% sure where the confusion stems from, which... might actually be the reason for it. I think the main problem is that there are a lot of terms thrown about with ambiguous meanings like "clone" and "character".

In any case, I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with you! I'm mostly arguing... against the general atmosphere in here, I guess.

edited 14th Jul '14 11:56:14 AM by Fawriel

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#50091: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:55:58 AM

[up][up] meaning the tome robin threw away still had uses.

so wasteful.

but yeah, i assume thats more or less how it works, though maybe substitute the text disappearing with the text's power being used up.

edited 14th Jul '14 11:57:41 AM by Tarsen

RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#50092: Jul 14th 2014 at 11:57:10 AM

Okay, this argument is pointless now. There's strong evidence supporting both possibilities (and some possible explanations to counter said evidence), but not enough conclusive evidence to prove one right. And now that we're entering sarcastic links/blatantly being douchebags territory, continuing will do more harm than good.

EDIT: Apparently I'm slow, because it wasn't until hours after the trailer that I noticed the "?!" at the end of her newcomer splash. It's like even the game has no idea what she is.

edited 14th Jul '14 12:02:54 PM by RavenKingSage

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#50093: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:06:38 PM

Well that's obviously because-

... nope! Nope nope nope. I won't say it.

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#50094: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:06:40 PM

I heard that the ?! was a jab at folks who thought Chrom would get in (and that Marth being in auto-deconfirmed Lucina), since the video does initially focus on him.

So it's like, everyone expects Chrom, but wait shit it's Lucina?!

Either way, Sakurai lives under a bridge when it comes to Smash announcements.

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#50095: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:07:19 PM

I'm trying to estimate how many pages a thread jumps per character. Apparently four?

Today is Fire Emblem day! And look at all them swords.

Also Captain Falcon is back! I was wondering.

Well I wasn't holding out for any of these guys, but I'll never complain about more characters...hehe, it's funny how so many characters have an alternate gender.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#50096: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:24:24 PM

Some people are thinking Lucina is an alt for Marth?

With all due respect, if she was an alt for Marth, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't take the time and energy to give her her own character page. Plus, they'd probably say she was an alt for Marth in a Miiverse post, not for a 3-minute video.

Also, does Robin, Lucina, and Captain Falcon's inclusions make the roster for SSB 4 bigger than Brawl's?

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#50097: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:28:19 PM

Brawl's roster was at 39. For's currently is at 36. Only 3 off, with guaranteed more coming along the way.

edited 14th Jul '14 12:29:29 PM by nigelstack345

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Ringsea He Who Got Gud from Fly-Over Country,USA Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#50098: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:30:11 PM

Can't we just talk about something non-controversial? Like how Red/Ash is/isn't too big; or Ridley's true identity?

edited 14th Jul '14 12:30:40 PM by Ringsea

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RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#50099: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:33:39 PM

[up][up][up]They would if the character had a significant fanbase. Wireframe Mac isn't a big deal. Gender-induced swaps for Wii Fit Trainer and Villager aren't big deals. They're still the same characters. But Lucina isn't the same person as Marth, and she was a popular request. I see where you're coming from, but I also think that if she's indeed a fully separate character, they'd make some effort to differentiate her from Marth. But so far? There's none of that.

Then again her moves could have hidden different properties. Who knows. But based on what we've seen so far, she looks to fight exactly like Marth, and I can't buy the "fully separate character" argument as long as this is so.

And that's my last word on this.

Captain Falcon looks fantastic on the 3DS version.

edited 14th Jul '14 12:34:13 PM by RavenKingSage

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50100: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:33:57 PM

I'm going to take the side that Red is as big as a Shy Guy.


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