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RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#48601: Jun 27th 2014 at 6:26:06 PM

If only one of the two stays, I hope it's Wolf. He's more unique from Fox than Falco is, and it is better to have a rival than another teammate (especially if said rival is more integral to the story than The Lancer is). I ultimately don't care since my preferred space animal is Fox, but still.

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Vgm3 This is the Monado's power! from Miami, Florida Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
This is the Monado's power!
#48602: Jun 27th 2014 at 6:28:58 PM

[up][up] Ah you're right. My mistake. Well, I suppose if anything, it's a happy little coincidence,

Now's it's Shulk Time!
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#48603: Jun 27th 2014 at 6:39:20 PM

@RKS: Guess I was a bit quick to think that no one would agree with me.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#48604: Jun 27th 2014 at 6:46:13 PM

If only one of the two stays, I hope it's Wolf. He's more unique from Fox than Falco is, and it is better to have a rival than another teammate (especially if said rival is more integral to the story than The Lancer is). I ultimately don't care since my preferred space animal is Fox, but still.
Knowing the way Sakurai thinks, Falco seems much more likely to be retained than Wolf assuming one is cut- Though honestly, my guess is that Star Fox once again will have those three as characters.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#48605: Jun 27th 2014 at 6:48:41 PM

Ness, Captain Falcon, Luigi, R.O.B., Game and Watch, and Falco are all unlockables.

R.O.B. returning? Please please please be true. grin

Also, about Ali Hillis not voicing Palutena in her reveal trailer, I never really noticed any difference between one or the other. I just assumed Palutena was voiced by Ali Hillis. So I take it Ms. Hillis won't be in the final game or this was just for the trailer? By the by, I take it that Brandy Kopp was in a Final Fantasy game?

edited 27th Jun '14 6:50:39 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#48606: Jun 27th 2014 at 6:50:14 PM

Plot twist: Falco and Wolf are both cut, replaced with Andrew.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#48607: Jun 27th 2014 at 6:57:24 PM

Remember, all "leaks" are unverified until the game is finalized. ;p

And even if they were "legitimate", they can always throw something in right at the end.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#48608: Jun 27th 2014 at 7:00:32 PM

I'd much rather Leon, if we're entertaining such ideas...

Dude poses like a Jojo character. Gotta respect that.

edited 27th Jun '14 7:03:09 PM by zeromaeus

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#48609: Jun 27th 2014 at 7:28:27 PM

[up]Irrelevant, everyone poses like a Jojo character in this game.tongue

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#48610: Jun 27th 2014 at 7:35:48 PM

But especially Zelda and Mac.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48611: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:03:43 PM

Disregarding hopes and wishes, Falco is much more likely to return than Wolf. Not only is he a Melee veteran, Falco as a character is much more popular in Japan than Wolf or really any other Star Fox character.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#48612: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:15:17 PM

But that sucks. I am perfectly willing to say that a situation where a more unique character, mechanics-and-moveset-wise, is less likely to return than a less unique one is total bullcrap.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#48613: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:39:44 PM

Oh fuck me. I launched it, but put it in the wrong namespace (somewhat)

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/SuperSmashBrosBrawl

Now what?

Edit: of course it needs a lot more editing, and to have the rest of the examples added in. I'm going to bed for tonight, will keep fixing it up progressively, but the whole thing might need moved to a different page.

edited 27th Jun '14 8:40:33 PM by Ogodei

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48614: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:50:49 PM

I honestly don't think Wolf is much more unique than Falco. His moves are more different, but his general gameplay is similar to Fox's. Falco's moves are more similar, but his general gameplay is more different. They're both kinda weird like that.

Honestly, the only moves of Falco's that are particularly cloney still are his up-B and side-B. His blaster has always been very different property-wise, and his down-B functions more differently from Fox's than Wolf's does. A-moves are pretty different between all three.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#48615: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:54:53 PM

[up][up] Create the right page and add the old one to the cut list.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#48616: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:58:22 PM

[up][up]I would think that Wolf's weight and lower speed would make him very different to play. Plus, like Falco, he's better than Fox at aerial combos, on top of having more differentiated normals.

edited 27th Jun '14 8:58:30 PM by doctrainAUM

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#48617: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:59:08 PM

@Ogodei Probably need a moderator's help.

A wiki mod, not a forum mod.

Or just Zel's help.

edited 27th Jun '14 8:59:29 PM by Keybreak

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#48618: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:00:29 PM

At least Brawl gave us a little more wiggle room for Falco- I like the whole "Falco's feathers/beak are crazy sharp" thing. Just swap out his kicks and vary his Up and Side Specials a bit more and hand him the keys to an Arwing and we'd be pretty cool.

edited 27th Jun '14 9:01:30 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#48619: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:03:05 PM

Plot twist: Fox, Falco and Wolf are all out, and are replaced by Slippy. And Bucky O Hare.

Again, I feel like the Fox/Falco thing could be solved with a simple change. To Fox. Switch the Fox Illusion and Blaster, making the Illusion a standard B move that can be controlled after (like a faster Fire Fox, and the Blaster into something that he can run-and-gun with (at his normal movement speed). This makes Fox a ridiculously mobile character. Falco can stay the same, except considering the Subspace Emissary, maybe give him a second blaster to dual wield with.
Oh yeah, and an ARWING.

edited 27th Jun '14 9:03:37 PM by wanderlustwarrior

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#48620: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:08:16 PM

[up]You can bet that a very LOUD section of the competitive crowd (the same loud faction that thinks that casuals don't deserve to have the game made more accessible) will complain that such a beloved character had been changed so much. Besides, it's not like Fox needs more mobility. It's like giving Captain Falcon a projectile and better recovery: a hit-and-gun move would make him overpowered. Even in Melee, he was a clear case of Difficult, but Awesome (though casuals could still use his great speed and Up-smash to great effect).

Also, the Arwing is a great idea, but if anyone should get it, it's Falco.

edited 27th Jun '14 9:08:54 PM by doctrainAUM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#48621: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:11:41 PM

I really hope the Star Fox characters get different final smashes. It's disappointing that even with all the final smashes they're changing we still have two triforce slashes and two light arrows.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#48622: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:14:32 PM

Recycled Final Smashes never bothered me. You gotta take shortcuts somewhere, and it was never too gratuitous.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#48623: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:17:38 PM

Except for the Wolfen-coloured Landmaster for Wolf.

For Wolf, I'd suggest calling in an air strike from the rest of Team Star Wolf. First Panther drops a series of Zapper Lasers on the field, for high damage, and then Leon flies by and takes aim at everyone at once with a Wide Lock.

Another reason I'd be sad to see Wolf go is that I love his fighting style. Fox and Falco are far to quick for me to feel like I have a handle on controlling them, whereas Wolf is in this nice sweet-spot of decent speed and nice meaty attacks. He just feels so much different from the others, in a way that I like to use. Which I guess makes him close to being my main? I dunno. I never really sussed out who my main is in Brawl.

edited 27th Jun '14 9:20:05 PM by Enlong

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#48624: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:21:26 PM

[up][up][up][up]I feel like it wouldn't be super different on the competitive scene, because if you just tilt+B, you're walking forwards slightly, and they always did the jump shots from what I've seen anyway.
I was suggesting it for Falco. Besides, we've already seen that Fox's Landma-star has returned.

[up]And the Octopus shaped Landmaster that Mr Game and Watch had. I could never quite figure out how to use its blaster.

edited 27th Jun '14 9:23:52 PM by wanderlustwarrior

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#48625: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:23:23 PM

[up][up]That issue you have with Fox and Falco is one of the reasons why I preferred to play as Ganondorf than Captain Falcon in Melee.

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