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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#48526: Jun 26th 2014 at 11:48:08 AM

In that sense, maybe, but Shantae doesn't exactly enjoy a legendary status among indie gamers, either.

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#48527: Jun 26th 2014 at 11:58:16 AM

I don't see how that is relevant. Quote has only been in one game and their game has only been on one Nintendo platform whereas Shantae has been in multiple games almost all of which originated on Nintendo platforms.

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#48528: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:00:16 PM

Shantae is growing in popularity, but not enough to merit representation in Smash.

About the difficulty with characters from other fighting games, that's understandable if you think about it. Characters from Street Fighter, Soul, and Blaz Blue are built specifically to fit in their fighting game universe, which is built around them. Translating these characters into another fighting game, especially one as different as Smash, would be way more difficult than giving a slot to any other third party character.

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#48529: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:02:01 PM

Quote's been on two Nintendo systems, actually. And twice on one of them.

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#48530: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:04:47 PM

Make that three-

DSiWare, WiiWare, and then two different versions of Cave Story on 3DS, one of which was retail.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#48531: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:14:38 PM

That, yeah. The game just keeps being remade, and they seem to work with Nintendo a lot.

Both game series are third-party, neither of which would probably be hard to acquire the rights for, but still hard enough to need an actual reason for them to do it. Quote is one of the only eligible third-party characters I could imagine next to the other big icons. He's an underground star, but within that underground, he's probably pretty similar in status to the likes of Megaman.

Shantae would be great, but isn't exactly something Nintendo shows around like "look guys, we have this!" She showed up at E3 as just one of a bunch of eShop entries. Alas.

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#48532: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:23:14 PM

I just had a though now. Should there be a retro character, and said retro character was Mach Rider or Excite Biker (but Mach Rider in ths example), he/she would need the bike in order to deal heavy amounts of damage. Obviously the negative being that their air attacks would be dogshit (like Little Mac), but they can also detatch themselves from the bike and attack hands-on (with the negative there being that the Mach R Ider would not be a powerful fighter outside of his/her bike). I'd love to make a moveset if I had the time.

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#48533: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:24:07 PM

There is the Excitebike Assist Trophy.

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Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#48534: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:24:20 PM

Smash isn't aimed at indie gamers though but at Nintendo fans. If anything that is even more of a reason to choose Shantae over Quote. Shantae has multiple games all on Nintendo consoles while Quote has one game that is constantly being remade stretched out over multiple consoles by different companies.

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#48535: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:36:59 PM

Okay, i went from page 1200 to 1350, and have at last come full circle, but found only a take on Particle Man by 0dd1

Here it is

Two steps remain

1) Make a list of who, amongst the Brawl characters and newcomers, hasn't been "done" yet.
1A) Make said codecs.
2) Make a Just for Fun page, somehow (i know how to make pages, just not sure how to index it vis a vis Smash Bros main page)

edited 26th Jun '14 12:38:11 PM by Ogodei

kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48536: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:38:25 PM

I think Shantae having four games, two of which are exclusive(and another that was until the iOS port), would make her a more likely pick. She's definitely well known among Nintendo fans and she was introduced and returned to prominence on Nintendo systems.

edited 26th Jun '14 12:39:00 PM by kostya

KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
#48537: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:43:31 PM

With the high standards Sakurai has for third-party characters, I don't think we'll ever see another third-party newcomer ever again. Fine by me.

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#48538: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:46:28 PM

...I never posted my "Snake lovingly describes each of the Smashers weapons while his support team oh's and ah's" codecs. I will have to do that later.

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#48539: Jun 26th 2014 at 2:11:43 PM

The only third party characters I could see coming in during future installments are Phoenix Wright, Bomberman, a Castlevania character, or maybe a second Sonic character. I don't find any of them likely though, I would much rather just keep the three we have now and maybe bring back Snake.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#48540: Jun 26th 2014 at 2:35:16 PM

Professor Layton seems like a decent candidate for a third party character. He's only on Nintendo, his games are popular, and his developers are fiercely loyal to Nintendo. He'd fit pretty well I think.

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#48541: Jun 26th 2014 at 2:42:34 PM

Would it be all right to say that if a particular third party character has been prominent on Nintendo systems long enough, they can be considered somewhat 'honorary Nintendo characters'?

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#48542: Jun 26th 2014 at 2:44:00 PM

[up]It worked for Mega Man.

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#48543: Jun 26th 2014 at 2:45:33 PM

[up][up][up]Forgot about Layton, he'd be pretty good. Maybe Bayonetta too, if she gets at least one more Nintendo exclusive game.

edited 26th Jun '14 2:46:06 PM by ConstipatedWaffle

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RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#48544: Jun 26th 2014 at 3:46:48 PM

The potential inclusion of Bayonetta and/or Travis Touchdown gets a resounding no from me. The amount of Bowdlerization that Snake received was at least minimal enough to keep him recognizable. The entirety of Travis Touchdown's personality is over-the-top violence and sex left and right, and Bayonetta's personality can be summed up in the words "YOU WANNA TOUCH ME?", so the Bowdlerization that they'd have to get would leave them pretty much unrecognizable. And neither of them are particularly iconic or legendary, so... what's the point?

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#48545: Jun 26th 2014 at 4:27:35 PM

Personally, the Bowdlerization for Solid Snake was barely noticeable. I wouldn't have noticed it at all if people hadn't pointed it out to me. Travis and Bayonetta seem much harder to pull off, but I've never played the games.

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#48546: Jun 26th 2014 at 4:31:55 PM

Yeah, besides the lack of firearms Snake remained pretty much the same. It really helped that he is a Meta Guy.

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#48547: Jun 26th 2014 at 4:37:16 PM

I would like if he had a tranq gun at least. Diddy has a peanut gun and the ray gun is an item, so an abnormal ammunition gun might not conflict with the no-guns policy.

Kinda funny how bullet guns are a no-go but high-powered explosives like his RPG and Nikita are A-OK. I guess they're less replicable, though, and that's what counts.

edited 26th Jun '14 4:38:02 PM by Anomalocaris20

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#48548: Jun 26th 2014 at 4:56:53 PM

I'd say it was for balance, but then Sheik's nails remind me that invisible projectiles aren't that much of an issue.

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#48549: Jun 26th 2014 at 5:00:44 PM

I imagine that it could have worked similarly to Falco's blaster.

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#48550: Jun 26th 2014 at 5:02:07 PM

Man, 0SS' is just so much better than everyone else's. It helps that I already preferred her to almost everyone else, as of Brawl.

Travis is actually more of a meta guy. He is also This Loser Is You. However, as swear compilations will show, he does have quite a foul mouth. He does have some lines that don't use it, though.


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