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#48276: Jun 20th 2014 at 9:35:02 PM

The more I'm seeing of Super Smash Bros. for, the more I feel like the games are nothing more than big-budget fangames.
To be honest, you aren't the only one. Plenty of people who are either "meh" about crossovers or outright disapprove of them often cite the blatant Fanservice present in the games as a turn off.

But indeed, every Massively Multiplayer Crossover is essentially a big-budget fan game - from Smash to Super Robot Wars to the various CapcomVs series - only inverted in that the games are made by the parent companies as a sort of "present" to their fans (as well as usually being an homage to whatever franchises exist in particular games). There's not really any point in denying that, I'd say.

Though I wouldn't really say it's "nothing more" than that. Smash is basically Nintendo's Fighting Game, done in a way that has their particular style without having to make a bunch of original characters that'll inevitably have cameos and references from other Nintendo properties anyway.note 

On a side note, I have wondered what would happen if Nintendo made another fighter (traditional or not), but I think it would just be eclipsed by Smash anyway at this point. Not to mention the fanbase has a bad habit of deriding new IPs before said IPs have had a chance to make a real impression yet.

edited 20th Jun '14 9:35:42 PM by Customer

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#48277: Jun 20th 2014 at 9:38:25 PM

Irony is so twisted.

Fanservice is there as a service to the fans.

But some fans hate fanservice because it's catering to the fans? It seems so dumb...

Unless it's that they think that they sacrifice quality for pandering, but you would think that people would want what you'd expect them to want.

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#48278: Jun 20th 2014 at 9:45:30 PM

[up][up] Considering the prevalence of F 2 P fighters with less-than-stellar mechanics, a revival of Joy Mech Fight using Steeldiver's model might work well.

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#48279: Jun 20th 2014 at 10:11:34 PM

The Smash series IS a fanservice game. That's the whole point of its existence. That's why it's so popular.

Whoever thinks Smash should be something else, will probably have more fun with a more traditional fighting game.

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#48280: Jun 20th 2014 at 10:28:21 PM

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- His attacks generally have better speed and knockback

- Falcon Punch is faster, roughly as fast as in 64

- Falcon Kick is faster and has much less end-lag when it hits a wall

- Knee Smash's sweetspot lasts for several more frames

Actually, this is more of a wishlist...

edited 20th Jun '14 10:28:47 PM by doctrainAUM

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#48281: Jun 20th 2014 at 11:14:01 PM

A list that should be called "My idea of how to make Captain Falcon slightly better"...

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#48282: Jun 20th 2014 at 11:26:42 PM

Okay, I have to be really honest with you guys here.

The more I'm seeing of Super Smash Bros. for, the more I feel like the games are nothing more than big-budget fangames. I mean, they really look like they are fangames, like, I don't know, I think it's the aesthetic, or that sometimes the assets don't exactly blend in with each other. Sure, they put a lot of effort blending the styles, but there's still something that just makes it feel fangameish.

I think I get what you're saying. Although I actually feel like 4 pulls it off better than Melee or, most of all, Brawl. Obviously I haven't experienced it first-hand, but I actually find that they did a good job this time making everything mesh and look like a complete whole.

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#48283: Jun 21st 2014 at 12:11:31 AM

I''m not saying fangame as in a game about fanservice, I'm talking about fangame like Super Mario Crossover quality fangame or MUGEN quality fangame. The kind of games that look nice, but don't exactly have the polish that real games have.

Signatures are for lamers.
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#48284: Jun 21st 2014 at 12:13:57 AM

Smash Bros. isn't polished?

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#48285: Jun 21st 2014 at 12:21:06 AM

I'm not saying it's not polished, it just, I don't know, feels like half of the stages are basically Brawl stage hacks.

It might be because the lighting at some places can be a tiny bit off at times, at least that's how I see it. When Little Mac was announced for example and Giga Mac showed up walking around, that was the feeling I had.

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#48286: Jun 21st 2014 at 12:25:51 AM

?

I didn't see anything wrong, and even if there was, the game's still in development mate.

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#48287: Jun 21st 2014 at 12:28:23 AM

You might want to use a more "recent" example, because we're still not even on the final build of the game and that Little Mac footage was from quite a while ago.

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#48288: Jun 21st 2014 at 6:31:03 AM

Somebody from a different forum brought up an interesting point about the roster.

They basically said that as the roster was the first thing that was decided on from the beginning of the development of Smash 4, as shown here and that development started right after the completion of Uprising in March 2012, this would have been a month before the original release of Awakening.

This would mean that whatever Awakening character that was planned from the beginning would have been so long before Awakening sold well and saved the franchise or before any character from Awakening could have had fan demand influencing their position.

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#48289: Jun 21st 2014 at 7:06:11 AM

So Awakening is in a similar situation as Pokemon X and Y then. Interesting...

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#48290: Jun 21st 2014 at 7:10:19 AM

So basically, it's not about which character is in demand.

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#48291: Jun 21st 2014 at 7:54:23 AM

So they ended up choosing the Awakening character based purely on design as well. Plot twist: It's full-body-pantyhose-lady after all!

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#48292: Jun 21st 2014 at 7:54:32 AM

Watch the third Fire Emblem character have jack and shit to do with Awakening.

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#48293: Jun 21st 2014 at 7:57:42 AM

Watch there not even be a third FE character.

I'm still hoping it's Robin myself. I mean, come on, Wii Fit Trainer has a male costume, Villager has a female costume, this would be the perfect way to get both genders of Robin in.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#48294: Jun 21st 2014 at 9:01:50 AM

Presumably IS wanted an Awakening character, since it was their most recent game, and the roster already has characters from the last two series. Besides, Awakening came out early enough that I'm sure it's possible they could adjust the character if need be, especially if Chrom was especially hated in Japan. He isn't, though I believe Lucina is more popular there.

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#48295: Jun 21st 2014 at 9:03:48 AM

Hell, I'm pretty sure Lucina is more popular in the US as well.

Lucy is just awesome like that.

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#48296: Jun 21st 2014 at 9:03:57 AM

The two of them are the most popular lords in quite some time, though- Only Marth and Ike really surpass them, and in Ike's case, maybe not even that.

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#48297: Jun 21st 2014 at 9:06:34 AM

Most of Ike's recent surge in popularity is mostly due to Brawl(and now For.).

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#48298: Jun 21st 2014 at 9:07:59 AM

I never was quite sure if Japan liked the gorilla.

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#48299: Jun 21st 2014 at 9:08:21 AM

Nah, he was huge in Japan long before that- But while he's probably more popular than Chrom, Lucina probably beats him out now.

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paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#48300: Jun 21st 2014 at 10:14:31 AM

Augh, if they chose Tharja I would be insanely upset. Like, "I might spit on my screen in anger" upset. She's just the most fucking awful pointless fan-service character imaginable. I don't mind fan service if the character presenting it is likeable, that's why I don't mind the fanservice in Bayonetta or The Wonderful 101, but Tharja is either bland or a horrible attempt at dark humor (which is even more pointless because Henry is a way better "dark humor" character).

Chrom might be "boring" from a design standpoint, but atleast playing through the game, I LIKED him.

edited 21st Jun '14 10:15:17 AM by paperbritt


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