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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#47576: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:20:55 PM

How do you define "remarkably"? One is a ninja and one is a toon-styled pirate.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#47577: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:21:51 PM

I can't imagine them playing similarly. At all.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#47578: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:22:33 PM

@Fawriel: There are some one-on-one matches on CLASH Tournaments' Youtube page. Nothing with Yoshi though.

paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#47579: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:25:00 PM

Yes, but I would not mind if she were replaced by an incredibly similar Impa.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#47580: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:29:46 PM

Nobody should be replaced as is. I only accept Young Link and Toon Link since they're both kid-based Links and almost entirely the same character. Anybody else is a "nope".

Shadow?
BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#47581: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:32:28 PM

[up]Exactly. Toon Link is in every sense of the word a reincarnation of Young Link.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#47582: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:34:15 PM

I can't imagine them playing similarly. At all.
I can! I actually made a moveset all those years ago, hoping for her in Brawl. It's pretty simple in principle. In terms of moveset, she'd be the exact same quick combo character with weak KOs. Just replace the kicks with quick dagger slashes, basically. Except for aesthetics, the only big different would be in size and weight.

Also, you know, Tetra is just as much Zelda as Sheik is.

@Nap1100: Thanks.

edited 14th Jun '14 1:36:02 PM by Fawriel

TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
#47583: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:36:27 PM

@Baffle and Irene: And even then, Toon Link feels more like a "successor" to, than an actual replacement for Young Link, Toon's moveset feels very much like the natural progression of what Young Link would have if he were in Brawl, so we also aren't missing anything gameplay wise (Besides, switching YL for TL helps Sakurai to fully represent all of Zelda instead of just keeping to Ocarina and earlier.)

edited 14th Jun '14 1:37:23 PM by TechPowah

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#47584: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:36:43 PM

Replacing a Ninja with a Pirate would cause a flame war that would bring Nintendo and at least half the Internet to its knees. Even Sony and Microsoft would be affected by it.

No.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#47585: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:37:43 PM

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to Classic Link being an alternate costume/voice set.

(Also, I'm starting to think more and more that the series's YMMV page should go to the Permanent Red Link Club.)

edited 14th Jun '14 1:39:41 PM by BaffleBlend

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#47586: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:44:59 PM

@Baffle: You mean "locked". Only certain types of tropes get Clubbed, not entire pages.

The YMMV page is actually pretty civil right now (pages that get locked usually have unstoppable Edit Warring going on in them to warrant the lock), but it is getting a bit long, and should probably be folderized or something similar to make looking at it less of an eyesore to the casual reader.

edited 14th Jun '14 2:01:08 PM by Customer

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47587: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:47:11 PM

Locked Pages will tell you more and lead you to where you can make a suggestion for one.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#47588: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:59:25 PM

I have some ideas for DLC skins that Nintendo could use:

For Mario characters:

Shadow Mario

SMB 1 Mario, Bowser, Luigi, and Peach

Jumpman

Dr. Mario and Nurse Peach

Dry. Bowser

Mr. L

Paper Mario, Peach, Luigi, and Bowser

for Legend of Zelda characters:

NES style Link and Zelda

LTTP style Link and Zelda

OOT style Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf (if he's in, but I'm 90% sure he's in)

Cartoon Link and Zelda

CDI Link and Zelda

Wind Waker Zelda and Ganondorf

For Donkey Kong Country characters:

Arcade DK

Kaptain K. Rool and Baron K. Roolenstein (if K. Rool makes it in as either DLC or not)

Cartoon Dixie Kong (provided she makes it in)

for Metroid Characters:

Dark Samus

Classic NES (or SNES) suitless Samus

for Kirby characters:

Keeby

Masked Dedede

Galactica Knight (if MK makes it in)

for Star Fox characters:

Assault Fox, Falco, Wolf, and Krystal (provided any of the latter three makes it in)

Adventures Fox, Falco, and Krystal

for F-Zero characters (if Captain Falcon is back):

Blood Falcon

for the third parties:

Shadow, Metal Sonic, Sonic Boom Sonic, and Classic Sonic for, who else, Sonic

X, Zero, Proto Man, and Bass for Mega Man

Ms. Pac Man

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#47589: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:02:43 PM

[up][up][up]I'm not so sure. Most of the edits lately have been extended complaining about Greninja.

[up]...Yeeeeeah, most of those ain't happening.

edited 14th Jun '14 2:03:24 PM by BaffleBlend

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RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#47590: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:09:30 PM

Remind me again why it's an issue that Greninja's appearance might be linked to the anime?

edited 14th Jun '14 2:09:52 PM by RavenKingSage

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KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
#47591: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:11:58 PM

[up] Because some people have issues with advertisement. It probably doesn't help for some people that Greninja was confirmed to be chosen long before it gained popularity

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#47592: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:12:21 PM

[up][up]Because boohoo animu not canon weaboo boshchit roons evurthing.

edited 14th Jun '14 2:12:43 PM by BaffleBlend

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RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#47593: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:13:50 PM

[up]Periphery Hatedom whining about nothing. Typical.

Seriously, Greninja is in the game and it's no less cool now than it was when it was announced. Being linked to the anime shouldn't be an issue.

edited 14th Jun '14 2:14:44 PM by RavenKingSage

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#47594: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:13:55 PM

Or long before it might've had an anime-related influence. That idea is debunked, so a lot of that really shouldn't be in there, beyond actually saying the reason for him being chosen at most.

And yeah, if there's an extreme amount of editing, perhaps send a PM to the people to discuss it in the Discussion before editing it over and over? I don't think I saw any Edit Wars, at least.

Shadow?
KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
#47595: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:14:11 PM

Interesting thing is, it is made blatantly clear by Sakurai's criteria for choosing Pokemon characters that the anime is indeed taken into account.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#47596: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:14:43 PM

Using only vets and revealed characters...

Mario: Dr. Mario
Luigi: Mr. L
Peach: Sports attire
Bowser: Dry Bowser
Rosalina: That cosmic spirit thing she appears as in Super Mario Galaxy 2 if you mess up too much.
Donkey Kong: ???
Diddy Kong: ???
Yoshi: Either Yarn Yoshi, or Black and White Yoshis, as two alternate costumes.
Wario: Retains overalls from Brawl, with their own palette swaps.
Link: Assuming this is based on SS Link, his starting clothes.
Zelda: Either Ganondorf-possessed Zelda, or her Melee design.
Sheik: Melee design
Ganondorf: Melee design
Toon Link: Outset Link
Samus: Fusion Suit (With the Fusion Suit color scheme replaced with a different one)
Zero Suit Samus: Either her Super Metroid ending clothes, or her military uniform from Other M.
Pit: Three Sacred Treasures armor (Remind me, does the helmet and stuff appear during his new final smash?)
Palutena: ???
Ice Climbers: Reverses who leads and who follows, with its own palette swaps like Wario for 12 combinations.
ROB: ???
Kirby: ???
Meta Knight: Maskless
King Dedede: Masked
Olimar: "Pikmar"
Fox: Expert Mode sunglasses
Falco: Assault design
Wolf: Old eyepatch
Captain Falcon: I don't know personally, but I've heard he had a ridiculous outfit in GX.
All the Pokemon: Shiny coloration
Pokemon Trainer himself: Gen I design
Marth: ???
Ike: Brawl design
Ness: Pajamas
Lucas: Pigmask commander uniform
Mr. Game & Watch: Original disjointed look
Villager: Female design (Comes with additional palettes like Wario)
Wii Fit Trainer: Male design (Comes with additional palettes like Wario)
Little Mac: Wireframe
Mii Fighters: No costume needed, they're Miis.
Snake: ???
Sonic: ???
Mega Man: Rock
Pac-Man: His new creepy design?

The ???'s mean I either simply couldn't think of one, or am not familiar enough with their source games to make one. Kirby is tougher than it sounds because whatever his costume is it needs to be compatible with his copy ability, so no hats or anything really. And I know the Pokemon Trainer is likely not returning, I just figured I'd include ALL the Brawl vets.

You'll also notice I did not use additional characters as alternate costumes, Villager and WFT's genders aside. I'm of the opinion that alternate costumes should still be the original character, not someone else (Though palette swaps can be reminiscent of someone else).

edited 14th Jun '14 2:24:36 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#47598: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:28:34 PM

Do people really find Pac's newer design that creepy?

EDIT: Also, I think Wireframe Mac was confirmed in a daily pic.

I don't think I saw any Edit Wars, at least.
There hasn't been any, as far as I can tell. Most of the editing at the moment is consolidating peoples' reactions from E3.

Greninja's Tainted by the Preview entry can be shortened a bit (and I'm not sure it applies, but given Pokemon's fanbase, I wouldn't be surprised that people are mad about Gren having anime elements or is a new Pokemon in general), but I'm not the one to do that (brevity is not my strong point, even when editing), but a bit of that entry (people hating on the Pokemon anime elements) is already mentioned in the Broken Base portion of the page, so redundancy should be avoided.

That said, I think we may need to split Broken Base and Hilarious in Hindsight into their own subpages, like the And The Fandom Rejoiced page. I can't see them getting smaller (especially the closer the games are to release) and they're taking up a lot of room on the YMMV page, but I'm not sure what the protocol is for something like that (i.e. I don't know who decided that the extra subpages on the YMMV page should be subpages, but I'm assuming a criteria has to be met before we make an unusual sub-page)...

[up]That's hilarious[lol]

edited 14th Jun '14 2:31:57 PM by Customer

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#47599: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:31:49 PM

Broken Base is mainly just a vhicle for complaining anyway.

"Hey. Some people say you're retarded, and here's an extensive list of why some people say that. But some people might disagree."

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#47600: Jun 14th 2014 at 2:33:19 PM

It's not supposed to be though. It's just supposed to list reactions by both sides of a particular audience.

If there's excessive complaining or too much bias in the entries, they need to be fixed.

edited 14th Jun '14 2:33:39 PM by Customer


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