That would be 2 times...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.That's why it might be better to wait to see if Kamek is playable anyway.
Also, the Smash Run enemies use brooms. -_- That's either a lack of research on Sakurai's part(very possible, as it's not like Adult Link from OOT can use the Boomerang) or he ignored it. However Kamek(the character) has had a different shade of purple at one time, so that might be our best way to tell.
And likeliness of him being playable being low doesn't really help prove this or not. If he is playable(always possible), then we only have to wait for his usual "This guy'll appear" post or that a different character shows up. He's also the only likely Yoshi character besides a Shy Guy at best, and is a full character too, not just a generic enemy, in the series that's important other than Baby Bowser.
Shadow?Anyway, even if Kamek was playable, they could just replace (edit:
) him on stage since thats what they do with Link and Alphonse. And why does anyone want him to be playable anyway? That would be boring in my opinion. I mean, you can create movesets for koopas and goombas and magikoopas and whatever, but characters based on generic enemy types even with unique name/story role sounds boring to me. Unless they are ninja pirates. I love those two
Just for records, I find playable bandana dee with spear in that wii game to be pretty boring option <_< I mean, I guess its kinda cool, but... Hes just not that exciting.
edited 7th Jun '14 11:49:19 PM by SpookyMask
Kamek has moveset potential. He's been fighting more directly in recent times, and if you're willing to draw from side games, Partners in Time and especially Dream Team give him a huge array of attacks. And while he's based on the Magikoopas, he's a specific character. Many games don't even feature any Magikoopas except him.
edited 7th Jun '14 11:52:09 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!The character reveal itself wouldn't be that exciting, but the moveset potential is the only thing that really makes the character anyway...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Nope. Kamek's the only Magikoopa in NSMB U, and Wii for that matter.
There's not many games that have both Kamek and generic Magikoopas. Off the top of my head, the only ones I can think of are Bowser's Inside Story and Super Mario Galaxy 1, and even then Kamek's only a brief unnamed appearance at the beginning.
Oh, I should also mention Yoshi's New Island as an example of a game where Kamek does a lot more fighting, but in his battles it's more the arena that you're dealing with than Kamek himself, so...
edited 7th Jun '14 11:56:53 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Magikoopa enemies don't appear in NSMB in general.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.The translation has been wrong before, though. So no, it's not as good.
In the first post with Koume and Kotake, the official Japanese post explicitly translate to "Are they really evil?" where the English post is for whatever reason translated to "They are definitely evil." That is not a proper translation. Sakurai very often asks silly questions as is. That would've made more sense than the inproper translation. So yes, it's been wrong before period.
Likewise, the original post is using the proper name for the English character and the Japanese race anyway. The translator doesn't show anything where he goes by what Sakurai means(since he got a notable message incorrect before), but tries to translate the words actually on the post, or that's obviously the case. Why else would it take a while for the translation to come up in most cases? It's never first, it's always later. With the translator actually getting it wrong before, the amount of time actually taken(usually), it's hard to say what Sakurai really meant. Also, is there any reason not to use the nickname people gave Kamek in Japan to tell him apart from the other Kameks?(being named Fang) And keeping that in mind, wouldn't Sakurai just tell him to use the word Kamek anyway? It ultimately adds up to the translator not being perfect. Which is completely reasonable, since things get lost in translation from professionals quite often anyway.
Silver doesn't appear in the original Green Hill Zone stage at all in Sonic the Hedgehog 1. He's there in Brawl. We can't really use them being "generic enemies who don't show up in the original game" as proof at this point. That idea doesn't matter to Sakurai at all, as shown before. In addition, only Paper Mario Kameks/Magikoopas can go on a broom too. He clearly had to take the Paper Mario versions into account, then. No matter how probable it is, we need some kind of clear indicator in the actual game it's Kamek and not a Magikoopa, not somewhat poor information and past "this never happened" scenarios being repeated.
edited 7th Jun '14 11:59:36 PM by Irene
Shadow?Discounting the official transformation carries about as much weight as discounting what Sakurai says because he could be lying. Yes the translation could be off, just like Sakurai could be completely about Smash Run. If it comes from official sources, then we count it as official.
So Baby Mario? Good idea or bad idea?
Edit:
Again, is Fang an official nickname or not? If it's only used by Japanese fans and not Nintendo, then he wouldn't use that name.
edited 8th Jun '14 12:01:05 AM by Sterok
Why would Baby Mario ever be considered a good idea?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.@Irene: I'd like to see the Japanese text for the Koume/Kotake post, to see if it's ambiguous or not. Regardless, it sounds like a pretty direct translation, just phrased slightly differently.
Even if the translator made one or two minor errors, I believe we should give her the benefit of the doubt. It's true that no one is perfect, but that doesn't mean we should dismiss it out of hand. I'd say it's sufficiently official.
I also noticed that you seem to repeat yourself a lot whenever you post. I'm just asking, but is it to make your points seem better supported than they actually are? I'm seen that tactic before.
"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"No, the information in the post is wrong. "Could be evil" and "are definitely evil" are absolutely not the same thing in any way. One is a question, the other is a statement. They either are or they're questionable. He got the actual phrase wrong, period.
Likewise, there's zero context of whether he meant the race or not, and note what I said about him not caring if a character appears in the game or not when showing them off. It's overall ambiguous due to available data, research, and taking everything properly into account. We have two instances of him twice putting in things that don't appear properly within the original game's context. Phantom Zelda cannot be controlled by regular Zelda is yet another case where he ignored what is official and changed it up. There's already enough proof to show he could've just made it a Magikoopa but used their Japanese name. The official translation is worthless in this case, as how on earth would the translator even know Sakurai was talking about the character or the race either? It wasn't specified in the post, and there was never a case where he was shown to talk to Sakurai to make these. They're all translated, often loosely, from just the words alone.
Sakurai's lack of clarity makes the Japanese post worthless as proof. The fact enemies and characters are given stuff they could never do shows he doesn't care entirely about perfect representation of a character. Zelda using her Phantom form is not possible. Adult Link(in OOT) cannot use the Boomerang, and he was directly based upon that version in 64 and some of Zelda II(very little). Although the Link one is a little harder to say as in Melee he's attributed to the first game, the same with Young Link. Zelda is still a standout example. The other, as I mentioned above with an edit, is that Silver cannot appear in Green Hill Zone in Sonic 1. There he is in the stage. Is there any legitimate reason to believe he would never ever pull the same thing with a Magikoopa in the SMBU stage. Same scenario, wrong character, he's done it before.
It directly stated "Are they really evil?" with a question mark in the original text. The English text outright rewrites that area to a different phrase. And no, I do not trust if unless she does it perfectly every time. Any mistake is a mistake period. I do say it was a bad translation, and to be frank, it's an outright fact she translated differently from the original post. Otherwise, it would've said it identically, and not screw up only that part. Everything else was the same.
edited 8th Jun '14 12:12:52 AM by Irene
Shadow?The original Pyrosphere quote referring to Ridley was noticeably different, far more than a mistranslation could be. The translator does take liberties occasionally, but so far it hasn't been wrong. In any event, the Isabelle quote makes me believe the translator does coordinate with Sakurai when necessary. It hinted at her Assist Trophy status, but that wasn't confirmed until the Direct.
edited 8th Jun '14 12:16:06 AM by Sterok
Thoughts for a potential Isa/Kachi tag-team setup (not a transformaiton; they're both on-screen at once, you just change who's leading).
B: shot: The current leader uses the gun mode on their weapon. Tapping the button allows for weak rapdifire, and it can be charged for a big shot. When Isa is out, the shot is more powerful. When Kachi is out, it has homing capability.
Side B: Lunging Slash: Using the laser-blade mode on their weapons, Isa/Kachi lunges forward and slashes in one motion. Isa's blade launches further, Kachi's deals multiple hits. When they're together, they combo their slashes.
Down B: Switch: Swaps between Isa and Kachi
Up B: Flight: Think Pit's old Up B. Isa uses a jetpack, Kachi a hoverboard.
Final Smash: Ruffian: Isa and Kachi merge together into monstrous Ruffian form. The combined Isa and Kachi then rush across the stage for heavy damage.
Sort of just a basic idea. I was thinking that either one would have subtle differences to the same attacks (mostly Isa does more damage, but is harder to hit with), and if they're together, they sort of mirror each other, Ice Climbers-style. Thoughts?
I have a message from another time...The quote never officially referred to "Ridley". That's pure speculation and not even halfway decent evidence. It could've meant Lava/Magma(a common Stage Hazard), been joking about the Mother Brain Assist Trophy(it can legitimately show up on that stage at any time if the AT's are on, after all), or meant Ridley(which we have no idea of his role).
I don't see how the Isabella trophy was made more blatant it was an AT at the time. I saw it as pretty ambiguous.
"So far hasn't been wrong."
Can't see how that wasn't a wrong translation that I constantly cited. The message was never supposed to be at any time "They are definitely evil." It was always "Are they really evil?" That's often how Sakurai talks, and the joke was taken out. That's a wrong translation because it conveys a different meaning from what Sakurai actually was saying at that time. Ruining the joke doesn't help or make the translation good, it just means it got one part of it right. Lost in Translation, basically. It was an obvious liberty, but all liberties means it wasn't an exact translation by default. Anything changed from the original message is different no matter what. That does make it actually wrong by any sense of logic. It's either the same message, or it's not. There can't be an inbetween.
Shadow?

Maybe it wasn't a mistake and the translator chose to make a different statement because well, they kind of are evil?