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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#45576: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:01:43 PM

I kinda missed having trophies of Kirby's hats in Brawl. It's odd, since there's some other actually-in-the-game elements that they didn't bother making trophies for. Like the Ultimate Chimera, or the Balloon Fight fish.

Trophies for more of the human characters would be nice (Professors, Gym Leaders, ect), as would some items and other elements. Like the Zero-One from Snap.

Though honestly, I just wish they'd be less lazy. A huge proportion of the trophies are just model imports from recent games. Which is fine and all, no need to make a new model if it's already there, but it means older games or games that used sprite artwork/older models don't get any representation. Look at the trophy sections for Yoshi, MOTHER, Ice Climber, ect; they literally have nothing but in-game elements.

I generally prefer Brawl to Melee, but I will say that Melee's trophy selection was much better since they actually bothered to make trophies for stuff.

edited 7th Jun '14 10:02:50 PM by Anomalocaris20

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#45577: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:06:17 PM

[up] Both Melee and Brawl were pretty much fanservice games. No, not THAT type of fanservice, the less perverted kind.

They pretty much covered most of Nintendo's history (sans Color TV Game, and Virtual Boy) in both of those games, haven't they?

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#45578: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:18:19 PM

I suspect Misty's Melee trophy was an oversight, added by someone who thought her anime design came from the games. That's just my speculation though. That being said, the reason she got a trophy is definitely because of the anime.

Brawl's trophy selection was kind of lame. It felt uninspired.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#45579: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:20:30 PM

I wished that the Brawl trophy gallery would play songs from the sound test like Melee did.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#45580: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:21:54 PM

[up] Same. Felt like an oversight.

[up][up] Yeah. I felt a lot of franchises got too little love. Yoshi couldn't get Kamek? Was he even a Trophy as is?(possibly in the Mario section, but still)

Shadow?
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#45581: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:25:06 PM

Plausible Yoshi newcomers include Kamek and Baby Mario, unless you also want to throw in Stork. Kamek is out, and Stork isn't getting in, so Baby Mario is the best shot for a Yoshi newcomer.

Yoshi is going to be forever alone isn't he?

edited 7th Jun '14 10:25:34 PM by Sterok

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#45582: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:27:45 PM

Kamek isn't out, actually. As that is the name of the race in Japan, and that's the same word Sakurai used in the Japanese post, he might've meant Magikoopas in general.

It's probably the character Kamek, but I wouldn't count him out just yet. The possibility of a misunderstanding is high enough to be skeptical if he's a stage hazard or not.

However, I don't expect Yoshi to get another character, so it probably won't matter either way.

Shadow?
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#45583: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:30:55 PM

The amount of stretching to say Kamek isn't out (mistranslation, only Kamek appearing in NSMBU, one Magikoopa being referred to) strikes me as clinging to nonexistent chances, and I want him in. He's out, period.

Edit: Okay Alfonzo, but still. Under that logic we could say Toad still has a chance.

edited 7th Jun '14 10:31:59 PM by Sterok

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#45584: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:34:56 PM

Nope. Not out. He was not disconfirmed and none of that matters. We don't really definitely know what Sakurai meant. Nor what the translator thought he meant. He translated it as best as he could.

It's possible he meant that, but why would he use the wrong name for him? He's referred to as Fang as a nickname in Japan. Sakurai, if he actually knew who the character was, would use his proper Japanese name(the only one given, even). It doesn't add up overall and the data is too vague and too questionable.

Unless we actually see the character Kamek on the stage(we'll find out soon) and not a generic Magikoopa, his chances still exist. Which is the actual current case, especially if he never meant anything more than a Magikoopa. Likewise, remember when Silver appeared in Green Hill Zone? Exactly. He puts in characters that aren't even in a particular game into a stage anyway. Being skeptical and wondering what he meant till it's better confirmed is the most logical to do at this point.

And Toad is only likely out for one reason; Sakurai hasn't shown that Peach's Neutral B changed. He isn't completely disconfirmed, but he's probably not in. Also, there's enough Toads that it could still happen anyway, just with a more distinct base costume. Different color from the other Toad. He was never disconfirmed either. We actually need to know they(and definitely that character without a doubt) is said will not be playable to disconfirm someone. And Stage Hazards or even appearing on Stages is one of the worst examples to use. Toon Link threw that idea it disconfirms them out the window ages ago.

edited 7th Jun '14 10:37:07 PM by Irene

Shadow?
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#45585: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:37:55 PM

What is Kamek referred to in Dream Team? I was under the impression that Fang was a nickname, and not really official. Anyway, under that logic even seeing Kamek won't disconfirm him, seeing how he looks just like all other Magikoopas, including the ones who appear in Smash Run.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45586: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:42:34 PM

If Magikoopa doesn't appear as a normal enemy...its a safe assumption that the "one" magikoopa is Kamek...

Plus outside of Paper Mario he's the only one that uses a Broom to fly.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#45587: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:43:41 PM

*cough*

So, what do you think will be seen of Smash in E3?

Anyone think there'll be any surprises at the tourney? An exhibition match with Sakurai would be cool.

I have a message from another time...
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#45588: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:47:06 PM

In the Japanese version? I don't know. He's only called Kamek in other regions. Fang(or was it Fangs? I forget) was solely in Japan.

And I think what told them apart was their voices. Kamek has a distinct one, or talks in general. Magikoopas usually don't. I do wonder why they barely gave them differences.

Albeit, I don't believe Smash Run matters anyway at that point. He never said a Smash Run enemy can't appear in any other stage. Do we really know if Chandelure couldn't appear as a Poke Ball? No. I think that's jumping the gun a bit. He never said they were exclusive to that mode in any way.

While it's possible it's the character to show up instead of the race, the Japanese post is somewhat vague. It's just "magic by Kamek". The English translation makes it sound like that. Unfortunately, the Smash Wiki needs to be corrected on that we don't know if it's Kamek or a Magikoopa period. We have to wait regardless.

[up][up] Magikoopa does appear as a normal enemy, though. And he didn't talk about Kamek flying, so that's not something we can take into account.

edited 7th Jun '14 10:48:31 PM by Irene

Shadow?
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45589: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:54:13 PM

I was speaking in general...

Its also pretty likely that "Kamek" would just fly in then shoot some magic shape-ry, if there isn't a ledge that he slowly walks in on.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#45590: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:55:48 PM

Magikoopas can teleport and cast spells. There's an area to cast spells on... everywhere.

It's more or less a matter of gameplay. And didn't broom-using Magikoopas appear in Paper Mario anyway?

Shadow?
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#45591: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:55:57 PM

I agree that Smash Run doesn't bear anything on his chances, I'm just pointing out there's not much that makes him physically distinctive from generic Magikoopas.

In any event, I wouldn't recommend changing the Smash Wiki if it lists him as a stage hazard. We have confirmation by official sources that Kamek will be changing the stage, even if it is a translation.

Apparently there's an extra hour at the tourney unaccounted for. We may get something surprising there.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#45592: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:56:04 PM

If Magikoopas are enemies then I don't think Kamek would appear as a playable character, since they look exactly the same.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45593: Jun 7th 2014 at 10:57:55 PM

I meant "besides" Paper Mario. Since its the only other time it happens.

edited 7th Jun '14 10:59:15 PM by randomness4

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#45594: Jun 7th 2014 at 11:12:58 PM

@Moth 13: That itself might disconfirm Kamek.

We don't have an actual confirmation of him as a Stage Hazard regardless. We have what might be him due to race names. The official source comes from Japan, and technically uses the race name period. That makes it ambiguous period. Smash Wiki doesn't allow speculation. It's speculation which one is on the stage period. Also, if Kamek and Magikoopa look alike, that could be a Magikoopa actually doing it. The broom part is the only way to confirm it at best, then.

[up] Then it's clear the Broom will prove which one it is. I still lean towards Kamek, but which one it is isn't clear yet.

edited 7th Jun '14 11:13:28 PM by Irene

Shadow?
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#45595: Jun 7th 2014 at 11:18:02 PM

The translation is official and Nintendo certified on Nintendo run websites. The only way it could be more official would be if Sakurai himself started speaking in English.

So who's going to watch the tourney?

Edit: We'll see Kamek in a few days since the stage will be at E3, so it's not worth really worth arguing over.

edited 7th Jun '14 11:28:29 PM by Sterok

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#45596: Jun 7th 2014 at 11:31:55 PM

I find it quite annoying - and a pretty big tease - that in Melee, you can get trophies telling you about a character's special moves. After you've gone through entire single-player modes that require you to familiarize yourself with the character in question.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#45597: Jun 7th 2014 at 11:32:54 PM

No. The translation being official doesn't have the proper information on what Sakurai meant. He left it open by not saying if he meant the Kamek race or character. He could legitimately have meant either one. He properly translated it, but the original post had horrible wording, so it has nothing to do with the translator being wrong specifically. It's not his fault that Sakurai was vague on its own. We already know the translator mucks things up anyway. He's done it before. In the first picture of Koume and Kotake, the Japanese post clearly says "Are they really evil?" where the translation says "They're definitely evil", two blatantly different phrases. It doesn't matter if it's official or not, he makes mistakes anyway. Nobody's perfect.

Regardless, it was not a disconfirmation period. It was a badly worded thing that made zero clarifications on which Kamek he meant. The broom is the only legitimate proof, and only because regular Magikoopa don't use one. Nothing else will prove it beyond that, because we can't rely on a badly worded and vague Japanese post as good proof.

Shadow?
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#45598: Jun 7th 2014 at 11:34:45 PM

<_< Even if its not disconfirmation by technicality, isn't it rather obvious anyway that Kamek won't be playable? I mean, if character that is called Kamek, looks like Kamek and acts like Kamek isn't Kamek, then what is it? tongue

Even if its just normal magikoopa, well, isn't that the case in japan as well? I mean, in Japan Bowser's special magikoopa is just another magikoopa since all of them are called Kameks. In which case having Kamek as playable would mean that in Japanese version there is Kamek the player character and Kamek the stage hazard.

I mean, if in English Kamek was called just another Magikoopa, I doubt he would even have his own wiki page. Might be wrong, but thats what I feel like.

edited 7th Jun '14 11:39:07 PM by SpookyMask

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#45599: Jun 7th 2014 at 11:36:51 PM

Who's Kamet?

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#45600: Jun 7th 2014 at 11:38:06 PM

Okay, screw you for pointing out the exact one time I misspell his name tongue I write his name like 8 times, that is bound to happen since I type fricking fast

Edit: Okay, I mispelled his name three times as Kamet and one time as Kamel, but still!

edited 7th Jun '14 11:39:33 PM by SpookyMask


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