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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#45426: Jun 6th 2014 at 9:21:14 AM

I've always kinda had the feeling that Sakurai's just not particularly a fan of Fire Emblem. Despite being one of Nintendo's most long-running series, it's been pretty slow to get much overall representation, what with being completely absent from Smash 64, and Melee having only Marth, Roy (who seems like he was added for the sake of advertisement), and one song. And then when it got a stage in Brawl, it was just a generic unidentified castle.

That it seems the Wii U stage for FE is basically a generic variation on the Arena Ferox stage (right down to seemingly having the same gimmick of variable platforms rising out of the ground) kinda supports that sense I have. I might be wrong, of course...

edited 6th Jun '14 9:21:56 AM by beorc

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#45427: Jun 6th 2014 at 9:30:28 AM

Sakurai seems inconsistent about when he goes super-specific for stages (like the obscure Rumble Falls for Brawl, or not just Port Town but the specific track Port Town Aero Dive from F-Zero GX) or very, very general, such as Melee's "Temple" or Brawl's "Castle Siege."

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#45428: Jun 6th 2014 at 9:36:47 AM

[up][up]Really? FE not being represented in the 64 version is no different from Ice Climbers, Game and Watch or Kid Icarus not being represented. Back then the series was in diapers, so they only went with the most well-established franchises. In the case of Melee, two characters and a song is still more than what Ice Climbers and Game and Watch got. And that "generic unidentified stage" comes in three successive forms, which no other stage besides Wario's does, so it's not like they didn't put effort on it.

EDIT: Also, "not being a fan" isn't the same as disliking. The only heavily represented franchises are Mario, Zelda and Pokémon, having the most characters and unlockables.

edited 6th Jun '14 9:39:35 AM by MyFinalEdits

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#45429: Jun 6th 2014 at 9:47:07 AM

It's not really the same as Ice Climber or Kid Icarus. There were already four FE games when Smash Bros 64 was released, with a fifth being released later that year. That's more than Star Fox, F-Zero, or Mother had at the time. And I never said Castle Siege didn't have work put into it, but there's also not much particularly "Fire Emblem" about it, compared to a lot of other series that get a number of references, both subtle and obvious, in their stages.

And I also never said that Sakurai disliked Fire Emblem.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#45430: Jun 6th 2014 at 9:50:35 AM

Donkey Kong still had only one playable character, and at the time DK was one of Nintendo's bigger series. FE's Melee representation was fine, if admittedly a little on the low side. There really should've been a stage.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#45431: Jun 6th 2014 at 11:25:09 AM

64 was also a time before FE was an international title.

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#45432: Jun 6th 2014 at 11:38:26 AM

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kagescorpionakki Breath of the Sun from Long Ago Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#45433: Jun 6th 2014 at 11:42:14 AM

One: That looks like it would be extremely difficult.

Two: How many Nintendo games are actually IN first person? The only one I can think of is Metroid Prime.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#45434: Jun 6th 2014 at 12:04:43 PM

I think that video was just for fun tongue

Anyway, this does remind me of that third person games rarely make sense when you think about what the character would see from their perspective. And not just because everyone has ability to see behind themselves while facing forward :P

edited 6th Jun '14 12:05:02 PM by SpookyMask

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#45435: Jun 6th 2014 at 12:04:58 PM

Heh, cool.

Kid looks freaky, but the fight was good. Not confined to the fighting plane though.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#45437: Jun 6th 2014 at 2:36:29 PM

Actually, for some reason, it took Nintendo a while to use anyone from the DKC trilogy, besides DK himself, in any of their games.

Wasn't Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour the first spin-off/crossover game to include a second DK character (not counting Jr. being in the N64 version or Tennis)

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
#45438: Jun 6th 2014 at 2:49:37 PM

DK Jr was in Super Mario Kart, actually, I think.

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#45439: Jun 6th 2014 at 2:51:32 PM

[up]which was not a DKC character.

Well, actually, he is, but only if you buy into the "DK Junior grew up and is now the current DK" theory. Well, I say theory, but it's actually heavily implied in the games.

edited 6th Jun '14 2:52:21 PM by Kayeka

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#45440: Jun 6th 2014 at 2:55:18 PM

It's more or less stated in the DKC games. The only issue is that they can't seem to decide if Cranky is DK's father or grandfather.

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#45441: Jun 6th 2014 at 2:56:48 PM

[up][up][up][up]And they still haven't used any of the Wario Ware characters in the Mario spinoffs...although one of the Mario Kart arcade games did have a Diamond City course.

edited 6th Jun '14 2:58:17 PM by beorc

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#45442: Jun 6th 2014 at 2:57:58 PM

That one is pretty weird- You'd figure Mona or Jimmy T would've shown up before Funky Kong, of all people.

edited 6th Jun '14 2:58:12 PM by Pulse

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nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
#45443: Jun 6th 2014 at 3:00:41 PM

>for some reason

>totally not having to look into the legal situation of using characters from games made by another company for them

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45444: Jun 6th 2014 at 3:01:50 PM

No, that's not it- Nintendo held all the rights to stuff in the DKC games.

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#45445: Jun 6th 2014 at 3:31:50 PM

I think they weren't sure if they were allowed to use DKC characters at first, and only learned they could around the time of Toadstool Tour and Double Dash.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45446: Jun 6th 2014 at 3:36:07 PM

They're not too keen on bringing Wario characters into spinoffs in general, are they? At least Ashley showed up from Warioware, I'm still waiting for some characters from Wario Land to cameo...

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#45447: Jun 6th 2014 at 3:47:12 PM

Even before then, Smash Bros. Melee had the DK Rap and Cranky Kong.

edited 6th Jun '14 3:47:20 PM by Enlong

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#45448: Jun 6th 2014 at 4:54:28 PM

[up]And thank god it is.

Also the pic of the day reminded me that Ike's design is still ugly.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#45449: Jun 6th 2014 at 4:55:27 PM

[up][up]Dixie had a trophy in Melee, too.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#45450: Jun 6th 2014 at 5:38:40 PM

I have a quick question, although I might be over-speculating.

As seen in the My Music part of the Direct, one of the available songs for Skyloft is Ballad of the Goddess. Not just the rock remix heard later in the Direct, but also the original version of the song... as heard briefly during Fi's Trophy Quiz.

From this, do you guys think Id~Purpose, The Return of Palutena, and VS. Ridley will also appear in their original intact forms?

I mean, it's kind of obvious that VS. Ridley will. I have my fingers crossed for Id~Purpose, at least.

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