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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#45251: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:15:40 AM

[up][up][up]Well, I've seen a lot of people (not on this forum, but elsewhere) complaining that the Smash Bros Invitational is going to be terrible, simply because the matches will be a free-for-all with items on.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45252: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:19:16 AM

Which is pretty much w/e. None of them will have had meaningful practice with the game, and I doubt any of them will take it TOO seriously, especially since they'd have to know this is mostly meant as a promo stunt.

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ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#45253: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:21:19 AM

[up][up]Well, that's a bit different than what I was talking about (insulting people based purely on how they play the game, which I consider the main component of "Stop Having Fun" Guys) but... huh. Are they saying it'll be terrible specifically because of items, or because the players themselves won't be able to play with items?

edited 4th Jun '14 7:21:30 AM by ConstipatedWaffle

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EdouardStrouduk from Earth. Physically at least. Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#45254: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:24:52 AM

Actually, the Boomerang was introduced way before even Super Mario 3D Land, but here there's just the item itself, not the costume that comes with it like in platformers, so I guess it's more reminiscent of Mario Kart 8.

edited 4th Jun '14 7:25:08 AM by EdouardStrouduk

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#45255: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:29:31 AM

Ah, right. Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3's e-Reader cards introduced the boomerang, right?

Although I think the item itself takes the form of the Boomerang Flower. I think we've seen it in one of those giant FaceBook picture dumps.

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EdouardStrouduk from Earth. Physically at least. Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#45256: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:39:19 AM

Exactly, though Hammer Bros. already existed in the original Super Mario Bros. 3. But if the Boomerang Flower is in-game, it seems odd that we don't get the costume along with, like the Tanuki Suit.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45257: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:43:17 AM

It appears as the Boomerang Flower-type boomerang, hence why I traced it back to 3D Land. It seems to just generate as the item itself rather than as a transformation element, hence why opponents can pick it up after it is thrown.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#45258: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:43:35 AM

Do you understand how hard it would actually give every one Boomerang Suits? With Tanooki Leaf, they only get ears and tail. It would also be rather pointless since you can only use it for limited time.

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EdouardStrouduk from Earth. Physically at least. Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#45259: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:46:47 AM

I also think it's a possible explication, but it would still be a nice detail.

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#45260: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:49:29 AM

Yeah. The Boomerang Flower in particular is a 3D World thing. The costume... Well, there's a reason they don't take the time to give everyone a boomerang outfit in MK 8, either.

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EdouardStrouduk from Earth. Physically at least. Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#45261: Jun 4th 2014 at 7:52:13 AM

Or a Fire outfit, for that matter.

edited 4th Jun '14 7:52:29 AM by EdouardStrouduk

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#45262: Jun 4th 2014 at 8:05:16 AM

People who have just discovered competitive Smash tend to be either very upset at the idea or think they're really hot shit for finding out. It's a painfully middle school mentality either way.
Yeah, pretty much that. I didn't personally have the pleasure yet, but I'm pretty sure most people with that painful "Stop Having Fun Guys" mentality act that way because they think that's what pros do, while actual pros are just extremely good at the game with or without items and mostly prefer it without for when there's money on the line or because they just like to compete without too much chance involved.

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#45263: Jun 4th 2014 at 8:12:21 AM

There is no right way to play Smash.

It should always come back to this statement. It's like balancing a watermelon on top of a needle though. There's always going to be someone, "casual or competitive", who subtly insists that one play style is better, or has more grounding, or simply makes more sense because of the way the game is designed.

The use of "competitive" and "casual" bugs me. I'd never heard of them before until I started researching Smash Bros.

I can see the Smash characters distinguishing each other as "Veteran" and "Newcomer", having "For Glory" and "For Fun" type battles, in-universe. Terms like those attract, they're neutral, they're archaic and gladitator-y. I can't see them using "casual or competitive" as monikers, it doesn't fit their world. That, silly enough, breaks my immersion.

Hell, if they'd named "For Glory" and "For Fun" as "Competitive Play" and "Casual Play", I might have avoided the game entirely and just watched the Final Smash compilations on Youtube. The tournament/coliseum nature of Smash Bros' gameplay, in addition to the sparse number of characters from franchises I knew about, has always been a large part of its appeal for me, and that was back when I had friends to play with. sad

edited 4th Jun '14 8:30:41 AM by FOFD

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45264: Jun 4th 2014 at 9:09:00 AM

There definitely is this elitist subculture in competitive Smashers (it's the reason I left Smashboards all those years ago), which is a characteristic of most fighting games. Or competitive games in general, to be honest.

But like the Scrub subculture in casual play, it doesn't necessarily represent the body of competitive play as a whole. The internet is going to be filled with the loudest and, sadly enough, most obnoxious subsection of people out there.

It's an interesting point that many people with the smugger attitudes are those newest to it, and that it's a very "middle school" mentality in general. Reminds me of a few people I've met in a few tournaments I've been in.

edited 4th Jun '14 9:17:34 AM by KnownUnknown

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#45265: Jun 4th 2014 at 9:12:02 AM

You're always going to get the elitist mentality whenever there's any large group of people doing something competitively. Dumb, but unavoidable.

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#45266: Jun 4th 2014 at 9:12:34 AM

[up][up]That's just fandom for ya. Fan Dumb is like a small number of elephants in a herd of zebras - they make the most noise and they're the hardest ones to miss.

edited 4th Jun '14 9:12:58 AM by RavenKingSage

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#45267: Jun 4th 2014 at 9:14:52 AM

I remember being incredibly disappointed with how Project M either took out the fun stages or watered them down to the point that I wonder why I don't just set stage selection to "random". In fact, I think the mod's existence supports the belief that fans are incapable of handling any kind of change to their beloved series. And yet, it is still my favorite Smash Brothers game.

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#45268: Jun 4th 2014 at 9:20:36 AM

^ That's another characteristic of long runners, especially fighting games. There are always going to be Street Fighter fans pissed about how the series has changed from Street Fighter III (or even II), always going to be Marvel Vs Capcom fans pissed about how the series has changed from Mv C 2, etc. Format changes and mechanics changes happen in long runners, but there are always fans who rail against them and prefer things to be exactly as they were.

As for mods, if I'm using one I prefer Balanced Brawl, though I'd rather play vanilla.

edited 4th Jun '14 9:21:13 AM by KnownUnknown

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45269: Jun 4th 2014 at 9:22:47 AM

Brawl - is good for a laugh, though.

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#45270: Jun 4th 2014 at 10:30:49 AM

As has been stated, most of the "Stop Having Fun" Guys are kids who just discovered the competitive side and think it'll be "cool" to cop that sort of attitude.

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#45271: Jun 4th 2014 at 2:47:04 PM

My friends never let me pick a stage because I always pick hazardous stages.

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Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#45272: Jun 4th 2014 at 2:48:13 PM

The Final Destination version of stages are a good idea, but I think it would've been nice just to include a "Turn stage hazards off" option for the hazardous stages.

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#45273: Jun 4th 2014 at 2:55:42 PM

I'm competitive often, but I don't mind any ruleset. If I can't play well around stage hazards, that's a problem with me.

[up]Super Smash Flash 2 has that option.

edited 4th Jun '14 2:56:27 PM by BaffleBlend

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#45274: Jun 4th 2014 at 2:58:20 PM

They should have made Battlefield variations instead of Final Destination variations, since at least Battlefield provides a way to balance out projectile users.

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#45275: Jun 4th 2014 at 3:24:35 PM

But Battle Field wasn't one of the MOST picked stages in Online matches...so how would the developers know?

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