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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#43901: May 13th 2014 at 3:06:34 PM

I don't think Felix or Matthew have any unique moves that Isaac doesn't have either...?

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#43902: May 13th 2014 at 3:09:03 PM

Right. What I mean is that they're interchangeable, and I don't find Isaac's track record to set him apart all that much. Now, Adult Isaac's beard is something that I'd want, so that's something that'd push him out of a tie with Matthew.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#43903: May 13th 2014 at 3:10:14 PM

However, adult Isaac is not the face of the series and has never been playable.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#43904: May 13th 2014 at 3:13:29 PM

He's still Isaac, though. It's mainly the character with a different look.

edited 13th May '14 3:14:46 PM by Enlong

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#43905: May 13th 2014 at 3:16:48 PM

But there's a reason Brawl's Ike resembles his PoR self more than his RD self. First impressions are lasting impressions and all that.

I'm not necessarily arguing about what I want so much as what I think is likely.

edited 13th May '14 3:17:17 PM by Pulse

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#43906: May 13th 2014 at 3:20:18 PM

If you say so. This is very much a point I'd rather not belabor, so I'll leave it at that.

Which puts Isaac back in a tie with Matthew, in my mind. With Felix off to one side labeled "would be really cool due to different design, but has little chance compared to Isaac and Isaac 2.0"

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#43907: May 13th 2014 at 3:24:31 PM

Heh, i'll keep bayo in these lists to the bitter end tongue.

I was pondering Elite Beat Agents in lieu of Mii, though.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#43908: May 13th 2014 at 3:26:01 PM

The EBA and the Ouden teams are perfect Assist Trophy fodder, actually- Their whole schitck is no direct interference, just cheering people on.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#43909: May 13th 2014 at 3:45:15 PM

Except being the main playable doesn't mean much(Isaac is the main protagonist of the Golden Sun series period). They used the latest designs very often. It's still Isaac and he's still playable in the games. Him using the latest design makes perfect sense.

Hell, if they wanted to, his adult version could be playable while his younger version stays an Assist Trophy. Unlikely, but the Toon Link thing makes me believe just as long as the PC and NPC version of a character doesn't show up on the same stage, it's all good.

edited 13th May '14 3:48:10 PM by Irene

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#43910: May 13th 2014 at 3:55:16 PM

If you wanted a copy of the old assist trophy, why not make Isaac/Felix/Matthew payable, while Felix/Matthew/Isaac is the assist trophy? No need to double down on Isaac.

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#43911: May 13th 2014 at 4:23:55 PM

[up][up]But the two Toon Links are different people.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#43912: May 13th 2014 at 5:04:39 PM

I realize that.

I'm not sure Sakurai cares. They're both Toon Links physically speaking.

Remember, according to the trophy, Toon Link was described as "Link as he appears in WW with [physical description]", alluding to just his physical part. It does actually speak of his achievements and where he lives. This is why I'm not sure.

Because they use the same design, apparently they're the same overall person to him, "Toon Link". I can't think of any good reason to not have the other appear beyond that. I don't get it either. You can play as the same guy as the other at once, unlike very old fighting games(first Street Fighter). It's weird.

@Enlong: I honestly believe Isaac is the only viable choice among those 3, as he's the Marth of Golden Sun, first guy(not looking for a debate on this, though. That's just what I believe. It's fine if people disagree, and I won't go on about it. No biggie.). The others make great Assists, though. Sveta is who I think has a decent choice of a second character if GS has two, since she's highly unique. Having her own wolf-like transformation(it looked similar to Zoroark's kind of design. I think it's canine too...).

edited 13th May '14 5:14:33 PM by Irene

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#43913: May 13th 2014 at 5:08:35 PM

We've already had the same Link playable twice in Melee, so Alfonzo seems to be Sakurai being Sakurai. He hasn't been that consistent between games and even within the games themselves.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#43914: May 13th 2014 at 5:10:16 PM

First guy(not looking for a debate on this, though. That's just what I believe. It's fine if people disagree, and I won't go on about it. No biggie.).

I, uh...

I don't think it's even possible to argue that Isaac isn't the first guy in Golden Sun. He's indisputably the first character you control.

edited 13th May '14 5:10:31 PM by Enlong

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#43915: May 13th 2014 at 5:11:19 PM

Well, I guess since the two Links look similar (although they're wearing different outfits), maybe he just wanted to make absolutely sure players didn't get confused in battles with Toon Link. And thought it would be fun to add Alfonzo.

Anyway, since Camelot's finished the obligatory Mario Tennis and Mario Golf for 3DS, maybe now they'll start work on another Golden Sun...or maybe they'll just make Mario Tennis for Wii U. Hrm.

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#43916: May 13th 2014 at 5:12:13 PM

I always considered Sveta to be a werewolf(ess). But yes, she's be a better Assist Trophy if Matthew was a fighter.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#43917: May 13th 2014 at 5:14:07 PM

[up][up] Their bodies are the same shape. Not their outfits alone.

[up][up][up] Read the rest of the paragraph before it. I'm not arguing about whether Isaac is the only viable protagonist or not. Should've just put nothing but commas. Context was poor, my bad.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43918: May 13th 2014 at 5:14:12 PM

[up][up]Her transformed state is decidedly wolfy, but her humanoid appearance is somewhere between wolf, cat and rabbit, but mostly human.

... She's probably AT stuff at best in for, but if Matthew joins in this game, who knows!

edited 13th May '14 5:15:32 PM by Pulse

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#43919: May 13th 2014 at 5:14:46 PM

Aw, but she'd be an awesome playable character, too.

With an obvious Final Smash or two.

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#43920: May 13th 2014 at 5:19:00 PM

I think she'd be cool, but I just doubt GS will get two playable characters in this one.

Maybe in SSB 5...

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#43921: May 13th 2014 at 7:43:09 PM

If Camelot makes a Mario Tennis for Wii U, shit's got to be better than Mario Tennis Open. That was just dull (and i love Tennis and Power Tennis)

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#43923: May 14th 2014 at 12:07:30 AM

Now Alph and Charlie.

And Louie and the President.

I feel like Louie would make a somewhat nice Luigi-esque clone of Olimar. Maybe slower but stronger with his Pikmin, can't jump as high but his B up would take him higher...

And his Final Smash would be cooking his opponents and serving them with butter.

Oh no wait that's what Kirby used to do.

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GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#43924: May 14th 2014 at 12:41:33 AM

Okay, so the way he straight up told us she ain't playable is bothering me. I mean, it's the same as another trophy where he said, nope, not playable, no AT.

He didn't do the same with Wonder Red. Before this one, I figured it was just implied, but now he's just fucking with us.

Signatures are for lamers.
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#43925: May 14th 2014 at 12:57:57 AM

Sometimes he says it, sometimes he doesn't.

I don't get it either, to be honest.

He also is revealing new characters seemingly only in major Directs now. I would like if WR is at least an Assist Trophy, with the other teammates being part of it. Maybe it's an e3 thing? Who knows.

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