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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#43376: May 4th 2014 at 1:25:17 PM

I figured SA-X was already playable, since Zero Suit Samus is now her own character.tongue

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#43377: May 4th 2014 at 1:26:54 PM

How about a cyborg Adam? Like, the AI of the ship but the appearance of Other M.

His Final Smash would be transforming into the ship.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#43378: May 4th 2014 at 1:45:13 PM

Rundas's handful of dialogue is more than most characters in this series get. And nobody can deny that he's very cool.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#43380: May 4th 2014 at 1:51:49 PM

[up][up] "More than most" is not the same as "enough to get into Smash Bros."

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#43381: May 4th 2014 at 1:53:25 PM

And in any case, amount of dialogue is immaterial. Many have pushed for several Metroid characters with no dialogue at all.

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#43382: May 4th 2014 at 1:56:35 PM

The thing about Metroid is that most of it is Samus by herself. Her allies don't stay with her very long...or live very long...few characters in that series have as much longevity as her.

Except Ridley who will never die. No matter how many times he goes down in a ball of fire. He's almost like Bowser who can down in a sea of lava again and again and still be revived.

He, Bowser and Ganon(dorf) are just deathless like that.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#43383: May 4th 2014 at 1:58:34 PM

Dialogue means all of nothing when it comes to Smash Bros. Toad has consistently gotten more dialogue than Mario, and look who's still stuck under Peach's dress. In the case of Metroid, I suspect the less dialogue you have, the more likely you will be supported.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#43384: May 4th 2014 at 1:59:00 PM

The problem is that none of them matter.

Do you know who has been in more than one game in the franchise? Samus, Ridley, Dark Samus, Mother Brain, the baby Metroid, and kind of Adam. Do you know how many NPCs who have only been in one game are playable in the series? One. Sheik. And Sheik is the same person as Zelda, who has been in way more than one game.

Keybreak: Surprisingly, Ganondorf actually hasn't been in a Zelda game since 2006.

edited 4th May '14 2:00:22 PM by BadWolf21

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#43386: May 4th 2014 at 2:02:05 PM

@Wolf But he's still deathless!

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#43387: May 4th 2014 at 2:02:45 PM

Considering that Ganon is a transformation of Ganondorf, he kind of has as recently as A Link Between Worlds, for all that he did in that game.

edit:

And anyway, you're kind of right. Metroid is sort of starved for viable characters. Which is why the other Hunters are being considered by people in the first place.

edited 4th May '14 2:04:10 PM by Enlong

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#43388: May 4th 2014 at 2:06:20 PM

And yet One-Second Wonder Zero Suit Samus is the 2nd Metroid representative.

And Lucas, the star of a game that wasn't released outside of Japan, and is a clone of the equally obscure Earthbound Rep, made it into Brawl. Popularity might be a thing, but I think more emphasis is put on it by fans than is actually taken into consideration for the roster.

edited 4th May '14 2:08:39 PM by Hashil

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#43389: May 4th 2014 at 2:08:05 PM

She's been playable. And in more than one game. That immediately puts her ahead of one-off bosses.

And Metroid sells abysmally in Japan too. What's your point?

edited 4th May '14 2:08:56 PM by BadWolf21

KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#43390: May 4th 2014 at 2:16:06 PM

[up][up] Ness was definitely far more recognizable than Lucas due to the popularity of the Smash games he had appeared in before Lucas. He's about as obscure as Falcon considering they have appeared in the same number of Smash games.

[up]One of the reason why Zero Suit was chosen was precisely for the sake of adding another Metroid rep.

edited 4th May '14 2:17:19 PM by KSoniK

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43391: May 4th 2014 at 2:27:57 PM

Captain Falcon was definitely the Mr. Game & Watch or R.O.B. of Smash 64, though- His games are relatively niche in both the West and Japan, and he never did any direct fighting outside of the first few pages of F-Zero's pack-in comic book. The Mother series is at least popular in Japan.

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KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#43392: May 4th 2014 at 2:32:31 PM

Both Captain Falcon and Ness were the curveball characters of 64, considering neither of them could at that time be considered to be remotely majorly iconic nor popular among mainstream folks-remember that Jigglypuff was insanely popular over in Japan and hugely recognizable back then due to her role in the anime.

I'm happy both made it in 64.

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#43393: May 4th 2014 at 2:34:31 PM

Earth Bound is also pretty popular in the West.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#43394: May 4th 2014 at 2:41:09 PM

Dark Samus would've been a good playable character. I mean, if Toon Link got in in and he's a clone, why not her? She actually could have been a really unique fighter.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#43395: May 4th 2014 at 2:45:45 PM

They liked her better as an Assist.

Her presence at all is a win, since the Prime series did extremely poorly in Japan. Being an Assist means she has potential to move up for the fifth game.

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#43396: May 4th 2014 at 2:49:14 PM

The way Dark Samus is as an Assist is also pretty good- it shows that she's at least acknowledged as fighting completely different from Samus.

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KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#43397: May 4th 2014 at 2:54:57 PM

At least no-one can say "But she can only be a clone character and has no unique moveset potential!"

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#43398: May 4th 2014 at 2:56:06 PM

Even if she is canonically a clone and her moves are already based on Samus'.

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#43399: May 4th 2014 at 2:59:00 PM

Based on, but not the same. Dark Samus's attacks share a common ancestor, shall we say.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#43400: May 4th 2014 at 3:03:14 PM

The funny thing is though, if they portrayed her accurately, she'd be much more powerful than Samus. Her weapons are all more powerful, and jump abilities and speed are lot higher. She can also turn invisible, generate indestructible force fields, levitate, etc.


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