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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#43276: May 2nd 2014 at 2:47:37 PM

... That sounds suspiciously like "he has a very short jump".

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#43277: May 2nd 2014 at 2:48:47 PM

More "he has a very short bracing-to-jump animation".

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43278: May 2nd 2014 at 3:20:46 PM

It also means he has less hangtime and delay for a higher jump, which is a really good thing.

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#43279: May 2nd 2014 at 4:04:08 PM

Why does ZSS need Power Buff?

Well, as good as Zamus was in Brawl, she did lack good "killable" moves in her moveset other than her Side B (if sweetspotted that is). She was pretty good as a fast, mobile character...

Also, Dillon trophy.

edited 2nd May '14 4:11:03 PM by nigelstack345

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#43280: May 2nd 2014 at 4:46:37 PM

Kirby needs to have unlimited flight like in his games.

And he shouldn't be hurt by inhaling bombs. Also, he should be able to spit out items as a star as an attack.

And he should have his Super Inhale, where it becomes much more powerful after he holds it for a few seconds. (shouldn't have to catch his breath like in Squek Squad though)

And he should be able inhale the star and get his ability back when he loses it.

Also, his speed and power should buffed to be like 64.

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#43281: May 2nd 2014 at 5:03:17 PM

I would argue that infinite jumps!Kirby would be a Game-Breaker, but he's pretty fragile and slow in the air if he isn't attacking.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43282: May 2nd 2014 at 5:16:31 PM

In a game about knocking characters off the stage to win, a character with infinite jumps seems outright unfair.

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#43283: May 2nd 2014 at 5:24:59 PM

It's almost as broken as a character with four recovery moves.

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#43284: May 2nd 2014 at 5:34:51 PM

[up][up] No seems. That's blatantly unfair. No contest.

[up] It's even worse when you consider how defensive Brawl was compared to Melee's offensive nature. If Brawl had more offensive options, having a lot of recovery abilities as a character directly would mean far less.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43285: May 2nd 2014 at 5:35:33 PM

Which character had four recovery moves? Meta Knight?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#43286: May 2nd 2014 at 5:37:01 PM

ZSS has plenty good K.O. moves: Direct hit from Side Smash(works great after the Down Smash), Up-Air does good launching even as low as 70%, F-Air and B-Air are about the same, and the Down-B is plenty powerful in itself and even doubles as a Spike if used correctly.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43287: May 2nd 2014 at 5:37:48 PM

^^ Meta Knight has five jumps and technically four recovery moves (though some are less than optimal and if you're actually using a move to recover his Up B is still probably your best bet), so he's even harder to knock off the edge without blasting off the side or top than Jigglypuff (who technically has no recovery moves).

edited 2nd May '14 5:43:32 PM by KnownUnknown

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#43288: May 2nd 2014 at 5:55:24 PM

Pound is kinda like recovery.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43289: May 2nd 2014 at 5:58:49 PM

Its perfect from saving yourself from falling off the end of the Home Run Contest area...Jigglypuff's Side B makes her the only character who can save herself from that even when getting launched at 999%.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43290: May 2nd 2014 at 6:11:07 PM

^^ That's why I said "technically." Pound isn't really a recovery move, but when used as one it's one of the best in the game.

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#43291: May 2nd 2014 at 6:33:38 PM

In all fairness, even with only five jumps and a recovery Kirby has plenty to get back up on the stage no matter what. He's a bit of a Skill Gate Character in my opinion, since Hammer and Stone both hit like trucks.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43292: May 2nd 2014 at 6:35:29 PM

It's telling that I main Kirby and barely ever use Stone unless I'm dicking around. It's not a very good move - I get the best effects out of it when I'm using it to descend quickly for whatever reason, not offensively unless the opponent is using a move that leaves them really wide open. Because of the delay, Hammer has its uses if you time it well against an opponent you're expecting to drop their guard - particularly the air version, which comes out quicker.

But yeah, most of Kirby's best tools are his normals and involve using his mobility - not so much his specials. At least, in my opinion.

edited 2nd May '14 6:39:05 PM by KnownUnknown

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#43293: May 2nd 2014 at 6:51:26 PM

There are plenty of times a Floaty character like Kirby could need to descend really fast.

Just... don't use it above pits.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43294: May 2nd 2014 at 6:52:19 PM

Actually, using it above pits has its uses as well, if you want to approach a ledge from below as apposed to from above it (which is useful sometimes for the similar reasons as to why you would want to descend quickly).

edited 2nd May '14 6:52:43 PM by KnownUnknown

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#43295: May 2nd 2014 at 7:01:58 PM

As a longtime Kirby mainer, I barely know that hammer exists. It's basically there for when opponents are stunned and i don't have a bat handy.

Stone i abuse a lot, mostly because it gets foes off the ground and me on the ground, though final cutter does the same thing in a pinch (if the foes are also on the ground when i'm starting).

I also almost never bother with the copy ability unless it's Captain Falcon or Ganondorf, which mostly comes down to Rule of Cool.

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#43296: May 2nd 2014 at 7:36:17 PM

Hammer Flip looks pretty nifty, though.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43297: May 2nd 2014 at 7:48:58 PM

[up][up] I gotta ask - as another Kirby main, do you also hum this when you're playing or is it just me? evil grin

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43298: May 2nd 2014 at 7:51:03 PM

Slightly-liquored-up-Texan King Dedede is one of the best worst things to ever happen.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#43299: May 2nd 2014 at 8:22:02 PM

[up][up] Nah, there was a commercial for Kirby Nightmare in Dreamland that used the tune to "Secret Agent Man," which is often what i hum when using Kirby or playing his games.

edited 2nd May '14 8:22:19 PM by Ogodei

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#43300: May 2nd 2014 at 8:53:19 PM

[up]All I ever hear is 'Matt and Pat, they are friends who play together...'

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

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