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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#42351: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:14:30 PM

It's more just a few loud whines than a widespread controversy. I'm looking forward to seeing how everything is handled.

I sure said that!
EviIPaladin Some Guy Or Something from Middle-Of-Nowhere, NS Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Some Guy Or Something
#42352: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:15:06 PM

Okay, I have as much problem with the Zero Suit as the next person but are you honestly bitching about how the Zero Suit makes her focus more on tools than herself? Did you not notice that the Varia Suit happens to be one big ass tool itself?

But that's all I have to say about that. Let's talk about Smash.

...What's a topic that won't set the thread on fire? I think the list is pretty small.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:15:50 PM by EviIPaladin

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#42353: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:15:25 PM

I don't have an issue with ZSS being playable. The choices of her design being bad(subjectively, of course) won't make her bad to play as or uninteresting.

Of course, bad decisions is pretty clearly subjective around the whole net on things, so it's no big deal if somebody disagrees with what's been put in Smash. As long as they aren't being an ass about it, anyway.

Shadow?
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#42354: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:15:54 PM

I, personally, find the rocket heels badass. Not attractive (heels are rarely attractive to me), but certainly cool.

But, yeah, Cassidy's right. We've danced this dance already, no need to do it again.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#42355: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:18:14 PM

I just think the heels and bracelets clash with the light blue on dark blue thing.

Yellow techno stuff doesn't match

Oh really when?
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#42356: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:20:01 PM

[up] they do look like pieces of equipment that were attached to the suit later on. Like she found them while exploring somewhere, but they were clearly not made for her suit.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:20:38 PM by Enlong

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#42357: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:22:39 PM

...What's a topic that won't set the thread on fire? I think the list is pretty small.
Victory fanfare speculation is a recent one that went over well.

Music in general is pretty safe, in fact.

I sure said that!
nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Let's dance, boys!
#42358: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:24:16 PM

Stage speculation's pretty safe too.

Vote. .#Bayonetta 4 Smash
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#42359: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:24:47 PM

If "We're the Robots" isn't a song, I will be very disappointed.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#42360: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:25:13 PM

As much as I actively hate Other M, I don't particularly mind the design, especially since the Smash team seems to be going a C. Viper route in terms of making it functional rather than a...well, Other M Samus route.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Let's dance, boys!
#42361: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:25:39 PM

Still waiting for Sunset Shore. Or any DK stage for that matter.

Vote. .#Bayonetta 4 Smash
Vgm3 This is the Monado's power! from Miami, Florida Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
This is the Monado's power!
#42362: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:25:40 PM

Items are also good. As are Pokéball pokémon.

Now's it's Shulk Time!
BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#42363: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:27:17 PM

I'm just hoping some N64 Past Stages will return.

Final Destination Metal Cavern would be awesome.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:28:57 PM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#42364: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:28:37 PM

Still waiting for Sunset Shore. Or any DK stage for that matter.
I'm hoping for a stage set on a chain of mine carts, because mine carts are one of the best things in DKC.

I'm also hoping for a Kirby stage that isn't so Meta Knight-centric.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:29:40 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Mistermister voosh from thecomputerkthxbye Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
voosh
#42365: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:30:34 PM

Just seeing ZSS made into a completely separate character felt like a huge slap in the face to Ridley fans, Dark Samus fans, and every other fan who just wanted an actual second Metroid rep in the game. Project M was able to separate Samus and ZSS, but they were still able to balance the game by just making it easier to select either character on the screen.

I know I shouldn't be surprised at how underwhelming the SSB 4 roster is going to be, but somehow I am.

EDIT: About DK stages, I have this terrible feeling that King K. Rool is going to be a boss on the DK stage for Wii U. I don't really think Sakurai cares about adding in more villain characters by this point.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:32:37 PM by Mistermister

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#42366: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:30:49 PM

[up][up]High Tide Ride?

They'd all be heading back as debris, giant eels and other hazards wreak mayhem upon the tracks.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:31:09 PM by NesClassic

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#42367: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:32:10 PM

You say this as if Sakurai ever did not consider ZSS a second character in Brawl.

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D1Puck1T Since: Jan, 2001
#42368: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:37:16 PM

"are you honestly bitching about how the Zero Suit makes her focus more on tools than herself?"

When the tool in question takes away her own abilities? Yes. I have no problem with her using tools that do things she couldn't remotely do, like the pistol, but the heels to help her jump are removing her ability to jump, just so she can be even more sexualized. And sexualizing her even more, after Other M, is frankly worrying since it says they are ignoring the negative feedback it got.

"making it functional" Giving them a function that her legs used to provide isn't an improvement.

"I mean firing the jet after landing the kick, to blast the target with burning rocket fuel."

Is there a screenshot of that? I don't believe that's a confirmed move.

"It's more just a few loud whines than a widespread controversy."

Criticism you don't agree with is whining? But I'll agree the controversy certainly won't have much of an impact on Smash itself. It's just kicking the Metroid franchise while it's down. The fandom needed some TLC, and instead Nintendo widened the rift.

I do think that it's a little amusing that the Mega Man final smash and the ZSS kerfuffle happened back to back. They managed to unite the Mega Man fandom, bringing together all the desperate elements, way better than Capcom's done in years, while further breaking one of the core Nintendo fanbases.

Ascruffydragon Since: Oct, 2013
#42369: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:40:13 PM

Speaking of songs, I can't help but be a bit bothered by "2 songs max. per stages" thing. I understand that it's a minor thing and it's worth getting rid of this kind of content to have better/sooner instead, but I'm afraid it might get repetitive and I just love music, it can adds so much to the ambiance. I was looking forward all the remix they could do, but I guess we can count on the wiiU version for that.

It could be nice if I could add some of my personal music in there too, but at this point I'm just daydreaming.

Also, is that me, or are they ignoring spinoff titles completely, at least I don't recall any trophy or anything like this that appeared in a spinoff title only. If there was ever any chance to get remixed music from a spinoff like the Mystery dungeon pokémon/paper mario title, I can't describe how happy I would have been.

Mistermister voosh from thecomputerkthxbye Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
voosh
#42370: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:41:54 PM

I've already accepted the reality that Nintendo of Japan just doesn't give a crap about Metroid.

[up][up]It's even more ironic, given that both the Yellow Devil and (sigh) Ridley are bosses on their respective stages.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:43:54 PM by Mistermister

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#42371: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:41:57 PM

[up][up]Rainbow Road is definitely derived from a spinoff, at least.

[up]Yeah, Ridley's definitely just a boss, that's why Sakurai's been tapdancing around his presence for months: So that he can disappoint as many people as he can and thereby kill some hype.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:43:22 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#42372: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:43:10 PM

Isn't there sort of legal red tape preventing Nintendo from using the Mystery Dungeon stuff?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#42373: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:45:19 PM

[up][up][up] Stage Hazards. Bosses are actually different types of playstyles and specifically are in Single Player mode only. They rarely are about the stage specifically and have an HP Meter in most cases. Giga Bowser, Metal Mario(and Metal Luigi), the Fighting Teams, and Giant DK were the only bosses that were normal characters by design. At least control-wise.

Likewise, that is maybe the case for Ridley. His actual role has yet to be confirmed. It's implied he's a stage hazard at best.

People seem to misunderstand how Sakurai worded that. He's taken a boss(or two or even three) and put them into the Stage Hazard role. The Find Mii boss is in the Find Mii stage as well. I keep forgetting his name. Kraid is also a boss and shows up to cause the Stage Hazard in Brinstar Depths. I think the Little Chimera in New Pork City is another boss, but I could be wrong. Regardless, it's just a Stage Hazard.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:46:57 PM by Irene

Shadow?
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#42374: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:46:11 PM

However much I want Ridley, it's very possible that Sakurai can't think of a way to make him playable for some reason, in which case ZSS is the next best option. It's been an established part of her since Zero Mission, and most of it makes sense, even if the sexualization can get annoying. The whip is odd, but it's unique, and the pistol itself makes sense. If Zelda can get an alternate form based off one game, then Samus can get an alternate form that was actually playable and is based off her recent appearances.

Edit: [up]Yellow Devil is a boss. If Ridley isn't playable, he's a boss. Stage boss, but still a boss under SSB4's definition.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:47:26 PM by Sterok

Ascruffydragon Since: Oct, 2013
#42375: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:47:50 PM

... Oh yeah, I don't know how I forgot that.

Thanks for correcting me.


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