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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#42276: Apr 21st 2014 at 11:59:03 PM

Correction, Snake didn't wear a skin tight suit in first two Metal Gear tongue

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#42277: Apr 21st 2014 at 11:59:29 PM

A supporting character from a single game isn't enough to get you into Smash Bros. There should be no scraping of the bottom of the barrel to come up with characters. This is a game for all stars.

[up] ...But he did in Smash Bros. Which is what we're talking about.

edited 21st Apr '14 11:59:58 PM by BadWolf21

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#42278: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:00:12 AM

Ridley's also the only one to have multiples of the same character in the Metroid series. That isn't a generic enemy, anyway. Clones and all. Dark Samus is a different person, of course. He(from what I remember, Dark Samus was presented as male, but I could easily be wrong) reminds me of Nightmare from Soul Calibur. The suit itself became possessed by something. I think Nightmare did it first, though.

Nightmare for Assist Trophy

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Randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#42279: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:01:35 AM

Anthony (insert last name here) from Metroid: Other M, the first "Guy" on the Space...the first "guy" in Smash bros.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#42280: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:01:59 AM

I take it back. There's Dark Samus (primary antagonist of the Prime trilogy). But she's an Assist Trophy.

Irene: I'm fairly certain that the Metroid Prime was referred to neutrally, and Dark Samus was based on Samus' DNA, so in all likelihood, Dark Samus is also "female". Inasmuch as an animated suit can have a gender.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:02:41 AM by BadWolf21

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#42281: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:02:42 AM

Sheik had only one game and s/he gets to stay in. ;p

But then so did the Ice Climbers...and Lucas...and I guess Ness if you don't count Ninten.

Or is the rule "no supporting characters unless they're in more than one game" and Sheik counted as a main?

Or "in a really popular game".

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#42282: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:05:13 AM

So no gender then. Makes sense. I never believed being a clone determined your gender, unless your personality was the same.(for instance, Sonic and Metal Sonic)

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#42283: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:06:04 AM

@Bad Wolf: Someone was saying "Its okay for Snake to have skin tight outfit because he always had while Samus didn't always have" and while I don't take stance on whether that is good or bad argument, I wanted to point out that it isn't accurate to say that tongue

And just asking that if clone Ridley has same memories as normal one, is that really the case of there being "multiples" of same character?

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:07:32 AM by SpookyMask

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#42284: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:09:55 AM

A clone being made of someone is pretty much a different person altogether(to the point they can make their own unique decisions. They also only have artificial memories. It's not the original Ridley). Reviving the original is something entirely different.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#42286: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:13:38 AM

Keybreak: Sheik was, for all intents and purposes, one of Zelda's moves. Melee's Zelda was based on Ocarina of Time (her most recent appearance at that point), and she spent most of that game as Sheik, explaining her presence.

Irene: The trophy descriptions from Brawl use neutral pronouns for the Metroid Prime, and female ones for Dark Samus.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#42287: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:14:57 AM

No, Dark Samus was definitely female. The logbook entries explicitly refer to her as "she" and "her" many times.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#42288: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:16:13 AM

[up] I hadn't thought to check Dark Samus' logbook entries. For some reason, I went for the Metroid Prime's instead. XP

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#42289: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:16:16 AM

[up][up][up][up] Because they were still never the same person. It's like twins. Despite being similar, they're their own being.

[up][up][up] I don't count Brawl for anything but Smash factors. Means nothing to Metroid in itself. I need proof from the Metroid series only to say it's anything but a genderless being. SSB is not canon.

[up][up] ...Like that. That'll work. Thanks, Cassidy.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:16:42 AM by Irene

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#42290: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:29:33 AM

Dark Samus is referred as "she" because she is Dark Samus. The being itself probably doesn't have any concept of gender.

Anyway, is there a proof that Ridley's clone isn't Ridley with cloned body? He seems to recall Samus just as fine in which case he is Ridley.

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#42291: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:35:02 AM

So on topic what has no relation to Metroid or actual clones, what would happen if you were to shoot a projectile on the Balloon Fight stage?

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:36:00 AM by TPPR10

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#42292: Apr 22nd 2014 at 12:40:41 AM

Well, he only said "walk". So maybe projectiles stop at the end of the stage, while only characters can move past the border to loop?

Alternatively, every projectile will have an actual limit to how far it can go no matter what.

edited 22nd Apr '14 12:41:04 AM by Irene

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#42293: Apr 22nd 2014 at 1:35:25 AM

[up]Pit's Arrow was the only projectile without limit.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#42294: Apr 22nd 2014 at 2:01:54 AM

If this rumour is real, that heightens the chances for Takamaru as playable character in Smash.

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#42295: Apr 22nd 2014 at 3:45:24 AM

Dark Samus was never really a "clone", per se. What Dark Samus was was the energy structure (soul?) at the core of the Metroid Prime, having absorbed the Phazon filling Samus's corrupted Phazon Suit, in order to regain a shape after the fight nearly destroyed it.

So, it had the shape of Samus's suit, and some generally Samusesque skeletal structure (seen in Prime 2), but a clone? Nah. The copied suit shape was more like a skin or exoskeleton to Dark Samus.

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#42296: Apr 22nd 2014 at 3:57:06 AM

Dark Samus is as much of a clone as Gandrayda is when she's taking Samus' form.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#42297: Apr 22nd 2014 at 4:02:22 AM

No, she literally has your DNA (and Metroid Prime's also).

Scans indicate the presence of Phazon and your genetic material within this entity. She wears a version of the Varia Suit, altered and augmented by the Phazon within her. Primary weapons include the Missile Launcher and a scattershot variant of the Power Beam. Boost and Jump abilities are superior to yours. The ability to generate Phazon energy shields is also present.

edited 22nd Apr '14 4:03:39 AM by CassidyTheDevil

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#42298: Apr 22nd 2014 at 4:10:16 AM

I think some might misunderstand the usage of clone. It's not "gameplay" so much as having the same DNA as a person. Blood Falcon is a clone of Captain Falcon, but actually has gameplay differences.

Just a semantics point.

Moving on, I'm loving the new Balloon Fight stage. I'm also glad to see the Flipper in there. He made it clear it wasn't an Item, but I thought it might show up in some other way too. I was right. grin

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#42299: Apr 22nd 2014 at 4:10:22 AM

Ah, true. Some of Samus's cells likely were intermingled with the Phazon when Metroid Prime stripped it from the suit. Still, I can't imagine that was enough for Dark Samus to really be a clone. More like it used that bit of her cells to mimic her shape.

I mean, heck, Metroid Prime didn't even take the actu suit, just Phazon in its shape. That's some remarkable shapeshifting.

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#42300: Apr 22nd 2014 at 4:37:06 AM

So Dark Samus is the spliced lovechild of Samus and Metroid Prime?

And yes, the Balloon Fight stage is awesome. I wonder what the retro stage(s) on the Wii U will be like...

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