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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#41951: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:26:31 AM

My god, a popular Pokemon one third of all people who played XY used and 100% saw!

edited 19th Apr '14 10:26:45 AM by Pulse

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#41952: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:28:51 AM

I'd prefer unique Fire Emblem characters, and so suggested notable ones who aren't blue-haired sword lords, like Micaiah, Robin, Tiki, and the more magic-y big bads.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#41953: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:29:38 AM

[up][up]And roughly 0% 5% would have acknowledged as a feasible newcomer!

Barring the fact that it happens to be recent (in fact, some would argue that it's oddly too recent), point still stands.

edited 19th Apr '14 11:47:55 AM by Demonfly

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#41954: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:31:31 AM

Keep in mind many didn't think Charizard was going to be separated either. Some could've argued that any regular Starter(Pikachu aside), they'd be stuck with the other two. So Greninja solo was not really highly expected without the other 2 starters at best.

In fact, removing transformations was a pretty unique thing and not expected either. Wanted by some for balance issues, of course. Which is a pretty good reason, imo.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41955: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:32:25 AM

I suppose part of the issue is this: Marth and Ike are the only Lords who have been the lead in more than one gamenote , so they're much bigger news than anyone else. Chrom is the lead of the best-selling game in the series, not to mention the game that kept the series from being canned. There's two other leads in that game, but one of them is extremely similar to Marth and the other is anywhere from four to six feet tall and has no definitive look or even sex.

edited 19th Apr '14 10:32:54 AM by Pulse

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#41956: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:32:57 AM

... There was a degree of sarcasm in there.

Marth and Ike fight nothing alike, and Chrom likely wouldn't handle like either of 'em either, especially if he gets access to Lances for a special or something.

Then you'd prefer less notable characters appear before notable ones?

My god, a popular Pokemon one third of all people who played XY used and 100% saw!

Really, is it necessary to mock people just because they prefer different characters than you? >.>

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#41958: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:35:49 AM

As for Robin; there's always the option of picking the default size and making hair colors part of costume palettes.

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#41959: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:39:56 AM

I've noticed Wii Fit Trainer doesn't have a voice so far. Might be why an alternate male costume works so easily.

I doubt that'd be a problem anyway. Other female voice actors could just add in, or male ones, depending what the default version is and who voices them. They don't even have to hire new actors, either. Did Robin have any voice acting in the original game?

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#41960: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:42:04 AM

Plenty. Some lines for story moments, grunts for being damaged and attacking, lines for acting in tandem with other characters, some victory lines ("Now that's strategy!"), and lines for crits/skill activations ("Checkmate!")

edited 19th Apr '14 10:42:22 AM by Enlong

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#41961: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:42:06 AM

No, Wii Fit Trainer definitely has a voice- In the first character introduction video, Sakurai shows her shouting advice during smashes.

edited 19th Apr '14 10:43:40 AM by Pulse

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#41962: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:42:58 AM

So, with the male one, it seems they're okay with having two voices.

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#41963: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:43:53 AM

[up][up][up] Perfect.

[up][up] Ah. My bad. Been a very long while. >_<

[up] I hope he has a good voice.

edited 19th Apr '14 10:44:11 AM by Irene

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#41964: Apr 19th 2014 at 10:52:18 AM

It's probably the voice from Wii Fit.

Personally, if they want Robin, I'd much rather they use Katarina. They gave her the Grandmaster class for the DLC in Awakening, so she could have the exact same moveset, but she actually has a canon appearance. I don't think they need either of them, though.

If they want variety, they should go with someone from Radiant Dawn. Michaiah, the Black Knight, or Sephiran would be awesome. Even Sothe would be cool, being a green-haired knife-wielder over a blue-haired sword.

edited 19th Apr '14 10:52:57 AM by BadWolf21

FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#41965: Apr 19th 2014 at 11:00:00 AM

@Pulse: To be fair, Greninja might've started development before X/Y's release.

Anyone have any idea how long it takes to develop a new character for Smash?

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#41966: Apr 19th 2014 at 11:01:06 AM

Not a clue. But there's no way Sakurai didn't have access to the full list of X/Y Pokemon well before they actually came out. They probably handed it to him during pre-production and told him to go nuts.

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#41967: Apr 19th 2014 at 11:09:46 AM

He does consult with Nintendo bigwigs to see which Pokemon may be popular, and he goes from there.

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#41968: Apr 19th 2014 at 11:43:19 AM

Actually, myself and another guy totally called Greninja back in February before even the Little Mac reveal, albeit as a Charizard replacement on a new Pokemon Trainer team. So it's not like absolutely nobody called Greninja anyway, he was still an Unexpected Character but "0% of people" is overstating it.

I'd love to see a Rhythm Heaven character myself, if just because I feel his moves would be incredibly fresh and unique.

Also, I've never been of the mindset that they'd both keep Ike and add Chrom. Either one or the other and someone like Anna or Robin could easily join Marth to better represent FE.

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#41969: Apr 19th 2014 at 12:52:25 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Yeah, Katarina could work, and I'd love someone from Radiant Dawn. The only concern I have is that perhaps it would seem unbalanced to have two characters from Marth's games or two characters from Tellius while several other continuities get no characters at all.

I also think Anna would work. Considering all the bickering about whether or not FE characters stop being relevant after their series ends, they might as well go with a character who continues to show up in every new game, particularly now that she's been playable. Not that suggesting Anna really stops the bickering, but yeah...

edited 19th Apr '14 3:59:51 PM by beorc

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#41970: Apr 19th 2014 at 1:19:37 PM

Yeah... Pokemon characters are kinda odd cases. The only real face of the series is Pikachu (and Ash, but he doesn't count). Beyond that, most mons could be described as having a face-like function because they are all supposed to be recognizable and marketable and stuff. In the end, a lot of it probably has to do with executive decisions on which they're going to push for the most. Otherwise, we wouldn't have Lucario. They probably anticipated Greninja's popularity.

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I read this and was like "wow, someone acknowledging their faults on the internet! I've gotta acknowledge that!"

Then I looked at your name and "wait, you're Pulse! No Pulse, stop, you're too hard on yourself!"

(... I really didn't see much jerk-being going on actually, though.)

As for Robin; there's always the option of picking the default size and making hair colors part of costume palettes.
Robin would also be the best possible Fire Emblem rep besides Marth! I don't think the series necessarily needs three characters - it makes up for the relatively few characters per game by having a different character next to Marth each game! ... Though even if they keep Ike or replace him with Chrom or whatever, Robin is still a must for a newcomer because s/he represents the recurring role of the tactician! And can take on any class (gender permitting), so variety is given.

Anna would be pretty amazing, too, of course. But yeah, Robin (female, obviously) is pretty much the only character I actually dare to tentatively hope for. She just has such a pleasant design! I want Mewtwo, too, and Ridley would be cute, but I don't find them likely enough to invest anything in hoping for them.

edited 19th Apr '14 1:22:27 PM by Fawriel

beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#41971: Apr 19th 2014 at 1:25:02 PM

Indeed, Ridley would be cute.

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#41973: Apr 19th 2014 at 2:13:29 PM

Really?

I found the tease in the Smash Bros Direct to be a pretty obvious sleight-of-hand on Sakurai's part. He's been tapdancing around Ridley for a long while now, so revealing him simply to be a stage hazard/boss would be a massive anticlimax.

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#41974: Apr 19th 2014 at 2:31:37 PM

Well, I can only think of two instances of Sakurai teasing Ridley, and both of them would fit with him turning out to be a boss in the Pyrosphere stage.

He could still be playable, but I'm leaning toward him just being a boss for now.

edited 19th Apr '14 2:31:55 PM by beorc

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#41975: Apr 19th 2014 at 2:31:49 PM

So Ridley's walk cycle just happens to take place 10 feet in the air then?


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