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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#41176: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:39:57 PM

I really do not like the anime. Mainly because of the Adaptation Displacement it caused.

Though when it comes to music, I hope we get some music from non-main-series Pokemon games for once. I'd love to have some Mystery Dungeon or Ranger music in the mix.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#41177: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:41:14 PM

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#41178: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:43:49 PM

Let's be real here, the vast majority of the world only knows Pikachu because of the anime. Sure, it may have been a little popular among Japanese children before the anime (but which couldn't have been but a fraction-of-fraction as popular before the anime and its merchandise), but they're only small part of the world. The anime aired before the games released, and it's always been a powerful driver of the franchise, even more popular than the games.

You can pretend like Pikachu's popularity has little to with the anime, but it's just blatantly not true. It's only in Smash because of the anime.

I'm curious, which Pokemon moves don't come from the games?

Puff Up, too. And Lucario's whole aura mechanic was not in the games at all. Really, besides Pokemon characters, a bunch of the fighter's move have been made up. And there's nothing wrong with that. And it's not any worse to draw from an extremely popular cartoon which is extremely important to Pokemon, than it is to make up moves for any other character.

The only reason you might think so is if you have an irrational hatred of anything that happened to have come from the Pokemon anime, regardless of what it actually is or what it's like.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#41179: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:44:01 PM

[up][up][up]I really don't see much in the way of Adaptation Displacement.

Yeah, the Anime is popular, but people who think of the Anime first and foremost when it comes to pokemon would likely be unaware of even the mainstream titles without it, let alone the offshoots.

edited 11th Apr '14 7:44:11 PM by ultimatepheer

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#41180: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:44:25 PM

"Use of Pokemon anime to describe Pikachu's place"

Replace Pikachu with Jigglypuff and then it'll be an accurate claim. The anime is the 2ndary source of how to decide what can be done with Pokemon representation...the Pokemon anime would also be far mor popular than the mentioned Mario and Zelda media were.

edited 11th Apr '14 7:44:54 PM by Randomness4

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#41181: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:44:37 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] The original Japanese theme song of the show perhaps?

edited 11th Apr '14 7:46:16 PM by Shadao

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#41182: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:46:29 PM

Cassidy: The point isn't that Pikachu isn't popular thanks to the anime. It's that the only reason Pikachu is in the anime in the first place is because it was already popular. It's been 18 years since Red and Green came out. A lot's happened. But the only reason Pikachu was the mascot in the first place is that people liked him from the games. Period.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#41183: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:53:16 PM

Let's clarify some stuff. There's a difference from being inspired by and taking directly from. Stuff like Lucario's fighting stance or the way Pikchu shoots lighting is more drawing from the anime and can be a nice reference while also looking appropriate. Stuff like the theme song, Charizard's ST, Mewtwo's armor, etc., is taking directly from the anime, which is not cool in a series celebrating gaming history.

For stuff like Pikachu's voice, Pikachu already was doing that in Yellow, so that was fine. Jigglypuff's popularity may have come from the anime, but I doubt the pollers separate favorite Pokemon from the games vs favorite from the anime.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#41184: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:54:24 PM

[up] Misty's Melee trophy. Lawyered.

zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#41185: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:54:54 PM

I would very much like the armor as a costume...
Plus the spoon.

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#41186: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:56:26 PM

If Charizard's Final Smash involves a transformation into Mega Charizard X, then I'd say Outrage makes sense. It uses his Dragon type, is physical, and involves an animation suggesting that the user is wreathed in flames.

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#41187: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:56:54 PM

taking directly from the anime, which is not cool in a series celebrating gaming history.

Even if the anime is important to the history of one of the games represented?

EDIT: Bah, ignore me. I'm just being contrarian for the sake of it.

edited 11th Apr '14 7:58:15 PM by Zarek

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#41188: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:57:35 PM

Except Jigglypuff is a balloon Pokemon. The actual action of puffing up is not an in-battle command but it's nothing out of the ordinary. Lucario, I will agree with you on, but that's also why I don't like it. The super stoic serious taichi jackal just looks ridiculous and it speaking is just weird. "Watch the power of the aura/The aura is mine!"...what does that even mean? Everything in Pokemon world has aura, Lucario can just see it.

It would have been much more interesting to just portrayed it as the predatory jackal it is. Bark and tear at the enemy with bone spikes. A few punches, kicks and energy attacks with mild homing, it wrote itself.

Anyway, the statement that the games eclipsed the anime is a little misleading. It is more along the fact that the games have retained their popularity while the larger Pokemon fad that sprung up around them and mons in general died off. Not just the anime but also the over price cards, the burger king toys, and so on. The anime does endure, it might have even left its mark but the anime that endures is not the one leaving its mark further on wider public perception.

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#41189: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:59:51 PM

Aura's strength is something caused by physical condition abd the color is due to the emotion/thought...

Lucario can turn his Aura into visible energy...which is something that is entirely made up based off Lucario being able to see it.

edited 11th Apr '14 8:05:33 PM by Randomness4

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#41190: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:00:11 PM

It means that he's got a massive amount of aura power built up in his... "hands" that he's about to shoot as a beam. It's not difficult to decipher.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#41191: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:00:18 PM

Obviously they can take from the anime more, assuming licensing issues are taken care of, but it looks out of place and awkward. It's not something I would do, and while Sakurai draws on the anime for ideas, direct references to it are few and far between.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#41192: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:00:45 PM

So why, exactly, is it worse to draw from non-video game media than it is to just make stuff up?

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#41193: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:02:17 PM

Also, mysterious taichi fighter has always been one part of Lucario's identity. What with his Abilities (Steadfast, Inner Focus, Justified), and variety of wave-based special moves (Aura Sphere, Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse, Healing Pulse, Water Pulse, Vacuum Wave)

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#41194: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:06:31 PM

It isn't, hence the rant on Lucario. The point is, it was only the first season or two of the anime that had surpassed the games in financial intake. After that, the fad was pretty much over.

So sure, you can argue about Charizard's seismic toss but how many people actually known his anime exclusive fiery seismic toss, as opposed to that first generation move the anime made look more powerful than it really was? At this point, Blast Burn/Fire Pledge/Mega X/Mega Y would be more recognized final smashes.

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#41195: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:07:40 PM

So why, exactly, is it worse to draw from non-video game media than it is to just make stuff up?
Especially when the anime is still a part of the franchise~

Nintendo even gets a passing mention in the credits, albeit for copyrights. But still!

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#41196: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:09:22 PM

Super Smash Bros. = Exclusively Nintendo Video gaming history, with things being taken from the source games, making it up, or having nothing there at all.

There's nothing wrong with it, in Pokemon's case it seems to give Sakurai more to work with that its the only exception to the "exclusively video gaming history" rule.

edited 11th Apr '14 8:12:34 PM by Randomness4

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#41197: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:11:24 PM

Because the anime in question sucks. tongue

But seriously, I would prefer they not include anime stuff. They already don't give enough attention to the spinoffs, it'd be a shame to start repping the anime before they've repped some other more valid parts of the franchise.

I still don't get the Misty trophy in Melee.

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#41198: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:14:08 PM

Because much of Misty's personality was molded by the anime. It was the anime that made Misty into one of the most popular Gym Leaders, so much that when you ask people who Misty is, they will refer to the tomboyish Tsundere trainer from the show.

edited 11th Apr '14 8:17:17 PM by Shadao

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#41199: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:15:21 PM

Did not see that post. Well yes, special attacks are half the story but only half. Lucario has no kicks by level up, for example. What it does have is extreme speed, feint, close combat and bone rush. You know, all rushing down and killing/beating the enemy, very jackal like. The ability to read aura seems more like a fox's sense of magnetic fields to find hiding prey and the ability to blast things just seems like a Pokemon thing. Togekis had aurasphere in the same generation it was introduced in. Flinching most commonly come from biting/hyper fang, with Bidoof being the common Sinnoh game those abilities and the steal type seem logical for Lucario.

edited 11th Apr '14 8:16:15 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#41200: Apr 11th 2014 at 8:15:38 PM

That doesn't really matter when she's only a Trophy.

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