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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#41151: Apr 11th 2014 at 6:50:20 PM

I'm perfectly fine with them Referencing the Anime.

And, yeah, A Flaming Seismic Toss sounds all kinds of Bad Ass

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#41152: Apr 11th 2014 at 6:52:16 PM

[up][up]That's because its already the "go to" source for Pokemon voices.

edited 11th Apr '14 6:53:25 PM by Randomness4

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#41153: Apr 11th 2014 at 6:57:24 PM

I don't see why not. The anime, whether you like it or not, has made a huge impact upon the Pokémon franchise. If it weren't for the anime, Mewtwo would not be the same character we all know and loved. He'll be more like the savage beast from Origins instead of an intelligent, but confused Pokémon clone trying to find his purpose in the world. Improvised and combo moves are awesome in the anime show, putting a twist in battles as opposed to a turn-base like gameplay style of the games. It would be a shame not to take at least some of them in Smash Bros.

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#41154: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:00:32 PM

Pikachu's new Final Smash: Thunder Armor.

Smash Bros is chiefly based on games, though. Otherwise, we may see Mario and Luigi more inspired by Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo.

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#41156: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:01:43 PM

No, a large number of moves don't come from the games.

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#41158: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:04:11 PM

Some inspiration is both fine and inevitable, but it's preferable not to draw directly from it.

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#41159: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:05:19 PM

I'm curious, which Pokemon moves don't come from the games? I mean there is Pikachu's thunder jolt, which comes from the Trading Card Lame and Lucario's aura storm, which Sora seems to have made up on the spot and I suppose two is a number but "A number of moves" implies a number not worth listing because it is too large.

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#41160: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:08:20 PM

Everyone's so opposed to the anime's existence and yet nobody speaks out against Pikachu being playable. How cute.

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#41161: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:08:31 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] The funny thing about that is that Mewtwo from the Special actually took some of the backstory and personality of Mewtwo from the original series in the Fire Red and Leaf Green arc.

And I believe that there is a double standard when it comes Pokémon. Pokémon didn't came into mainstream attention as simply video games like Mario or Zelda, it came as a front-loaded franchise with trading cards, books, manga, and an anime show. To ignore an aspect of the Pokémon franchise as a whole in Smash Bros would be insulting to the whole history of Pokémon in general.

edited 11th Apr '14 7:18:17 PM by Shadao

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#41162: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:10:54 PM

[up][up]Something tells me there's an exaggeration or two in there. I dunno, I'm just getting a feeling.

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#41163: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:11:20 PM

Pikachu was a main character in the Pocket Monsters manga nearly a year before the anime was out, that argument is invalid, even with Animation Lead Time. All the anime did was turn Pikachu into a god.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#41164: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:14:27 PM

Do I have to trot this out every time someone tries to make the anime solely responsible for Pikachu's popularity?

Pikachu is only Ash's main Pokemon because it was already incredibly popular from the games. Originally, he was meant to have a Clefairy, but this was changed when people took to the electric mouse.

zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#41165: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:14:48 PM

I want him to use the spoon. Hell he could be a Soul Calibur guest if you pushed it...

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#41166: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:16:03 PM

I thought it was he went from the game's Ensemble Dark Horse to the mascot of the franchise starting with the anime, because he was popular.

Count me in on the "don't mind anime references" crowd, as long as it isn't too overdone. It's a big part of the franchise~

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edited 11th Apr '14 7:16:27 PM by NesClassic

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#41167: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:17:48 PM

Because I'm learning to hate Ash Ketchum instead of the admittedly overexposed Pikachu.

There's crud all I can do to keep Pikachu from remaining popular.

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#41169: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:25:15 PM

Pikachu is Ash's Pokemon because it was popular, not the other way around. Though I'm sure it became even more popular via the anime.

Regardless, I don't see what's wrong with ignoring the anime when it comes to Smash. Smash is about video games, not an overshadowing anime with an annoying-as-hell protagonist. Unless you want Bowser to be replaced with Dennis Hopper, or have Link go "Hey, ex-cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess!" whenever he defeats Zelda.

...Okay, both of those would be hilarious. But you get what I mean.

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#41170: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:28:34 PM

Video Game Franchises to be exact. There is more to Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, and others then just video games. Many have comic books, some of which are beloved by fans such as the Super Mario World comics in Nintendo Power. The anime just happens to be the biggest gateway to the franchise other than the games themselves (possibly even bigger than the games ever could), and it's not a So Bad, It's Good show like the Super Mario Bros Super Show. It actually has some genuine great storyin Pokémon history (Pokémon I Choose You, Charmander, the Strayed Pokémon, Electric Showdown are some of my personal favorites).

edited 11th Apr '14 7:41:06 PM by Shadao

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#41171: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:29:09 PM

To me, it's because the Anime is such a huge part of Pokemon; its the only one that still airs, and its the one people actually remember as being good, as opposed to being a goldmine of stupid quotes.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#41172: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:31:28 PM

Unlike the Super Mario Bros. movie, and the Zelda cartoon, the Pokemon anime has done spectacularly well. Whatever you think of its quality, it's been on for 17 years. That's no mean feat.

You're still right, and Smash Bros is about games, but that was a false equivalency.

Either way, I still want the original english anime theme to be a song.

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#41173: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:33:28 PM

But that means licensing issues.

It also needs to be stressed that the games eclipsed the anime in popularity long ago, right around Gen II and III.

I sure said that!
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#41174: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:34:24 PM

Thing is, the anime's influence on Smash is already suffocating. How else do you explain the Pokémon Speak and Lucario in general? I was just pointing out Pikachu's popularity and use age in media outside of video games was happening before the show.

And I'm pretty glad Pikachu did take off and Nintendo did not just force Clefairy on the fans, the way Bandai just said "Agumon-Greymon, deal with it!" or Tecmo went "No more Hams, you want rice cake penguins." It sucks for Raichu and the constant Pikachu knockoffs did get annoying (Pichu the omnipresent pre-evolution and Pachirisu who added nothing new, were particularly pointless) but it could have been worse.

edited 11th Apr '14 7:39:40 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#41175: Apr 11th 2014 at 7:34:31 PM

[up][up]I fail to see how that's relevant.

[up] Pachirisu had Pickup. Your point is invalidated.

edited 11th Apr '14 7:35:28 PM by BadWolf21


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