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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#41051: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:09:58 PM

That's just it- He moves left, stops, then suddenly moves left again. It's how playable characters move, not bosses.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#41052: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:12:59 PM

I wonder if anyone will have a flight mode like Pit used to [/hopes for Ganondorf]

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#41053: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:19:37 PM

Unpopular opinion time: Him showing Ridley's shadow when talking about other bosses does seem pretty obvious that he is meant to be a boss. It's pretty common to show a "hint" when talking about more to come on something, and to assume that he was hinting at a playable character when he said "boss" just seems delusional thinking to me. Sorry.

And before you say "oh, but troll", most of the other trolls in the videos were more "gotcha" kinda things, like the Pseduo-Palutena trophy. To assume that he put in something out of context just to trick a vocal minority on the Internet seems kinda...weird to me.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#41054: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:21:06 PM

I think I said this before, but they can tangle with character's A.I. if they wanted to. Like say make Ridley not attack.

edited 11th Apr '14 1:21:40 PM by TPPR10

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#41055: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:21:50 PM

[up][up][up][up]I dunno...it could just be that he flies in, stops and shoots a fireball or something, and then flies to the other side of the stage.

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nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#41056: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:26:06 PM

It doesn't matter to me if Ridley is either a boss or playable. Either way, the thought that I can use Zamus to defeat him is awesome. I'd like him playable but the purchase doesn't hinge on it like it does for so many other Ridley supporters.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#41057: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:26:06 PM

Hmm, guys in that thread did make a rather good point I guess: Tail clipping does show it is based on Other M design, but other m ridley is REALLY bulky and muscular while arms on shadow look like normal lanky and thing Ridley. So it seems like he has composite design and they haven't done composition design to characters that aren't playable so far.

edited 11th Apr '14 1:26:58 PM by SpookyMask

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#41058: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:26:48 PM

@Pulse: To note, Master Hand was treated as a regular character in 64. You could move him too. His actual attacks went into a scripted animation, but he floated everywhere. Basically, Ridley might be controllable as a boss to test out how he works. In later games, it was all scripted attacks and you couldn't move them with the control stick(this applies to Master Hand and Crazy Hand in Melee. I cannot remember how the bosses work in Brawl, though. I don't know the data)

Also, maybe it could be a boss mode(this was brought up a bit before, by Moth 13 I think), where one player plays as a boss, and the other plays regular characters. You could control them the same way you do in 64.

As for the shadows, if he is playable as a regular character, he could've been hit by a Super Mushroom first. Note, this is before I saw the Game FA Qs topic. If it wasn't a Super Mushroom, the Debug Menus in Melee proved you could change a character's size to many different degrees. I think the shadows are equivalent to their size as well. So, size doesn't mean much. I think the only thing that'll really guarantee he's a stage hazard is if we see him actually go through the hole in the Pyrosphere. Also, as noted, Other M Ridley could be the stage hazard, and a different one could be playable. This has some similarities with the Toon Link scenario. The trophies note it's "how he appeared in Wind Waker", so you could argue he's specifically the one from WW/PH. ST's Link is a different person, which would explain why two different ones could exist at the same time.

...Of course, now that they split Samus and Zero Suit Samus(there's only one), that idea is unnotable. There is more than one Zelda, and there can be a different Sheik. tongue

edited 11th Apr '14 1:27:26 PM by Irene

Shadow?
DragonGeyser The Chew Toy of Gaming from a computer, DUH. Since: Dec, 2010
The Chew Toy of Gaming
#41059: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:28:53 PM

@Last page's talk regarding items and characters: I'm pretty sure I saw a Franklin Badge in a screenshot somewhere, so I believe the MOTHER/Earthbound series is returning in this game.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#41060: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:29:18 PM

Meta Ridley won't be the stage hazard. It's already been determined that the Ridley we've seen is Other M's Clone Ridley. I'll reiterate my optimistic opinion. Clone Ridley is the stage hazard while Classic Ridley is playable. At this point I can't see Rids not being the Pyroshpere boss.

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#41061: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:30:26 PM

I fixed my message for that.

[up][up] Yep, it was there.

Shadow?
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#41062: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:30:44 PM

@Irene But they're all trophies anyway.

Dr. Mario was still Mario, and allegedly there's only one of him too. :p Except maybe the Paper version or several...

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#41063: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:36:30 PM

@Sterok: Please do not ignore my post :( Again for comparison shadow, Other M, Other M Ridley in Dead or alive, Classic Ridley, ''really'' classic Ridley

And official art of classic Ridley. And Other M ridley standing. Because seriously, that is only version of Ridley that is capable of that

edited 11th Apr '14 1:39:38 PM by SpookyMask

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#41064: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:39:05 PM

Personally, I can't get much from the shadow at all. I've seen people stating that he grabbed Pikachu, but I couldn't see it myself.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#41065: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:39:53 PM

Yellow outlines appear to be the arms. Guy outlined them based on movemet so its easier to tell when checking the video

edited 11th Apr '14 1:40:32 PM by SpookyMask

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#41066: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:42:41 PM

*peeks in*

Oh fuck people are still arguong about Ridley

*gets the fuck out*

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#41067: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:45:04 PM

lol, who is arguing about it? I'm just annoyed that my comments on silly gamefaqs thread are ignored.

Though gotta admit that while I prefer Ridley as a boss, I'm so tired of Ridley for smash stuff that I want him to be playable so nobody rants about that anymore.

Anyway, no clue where people get "He grabbed Pikachu" thing but I'm surprised nobody has done slow mo version of his shadow tongue Sure they do weird size comparison thingies, but no slow mo? What has this world become?!

edited 11th Apr '14 1:45:34 PM by SpookyMask

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#41068: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:48:30 PM

I personally believe that Ridley's design here is based more on Zero Mission than anything.

Probably me being optimistic. Zero Mission had my favorite Ridley design.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#41069: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:52:17 PM

Unpopular opinion time: Him showing Ridley's shadow when talking about other bosses does seem pretty obvious that he is meant to be a boss. It's pretty common to show a "hint" when talking about more to come on something, and to assume that he was hinting at a playable character when he said "boss" just seems delusional thinking to me. Sorry.

And before you say "oh, but troll", most of the other trolls in the videos were more "gotcha" kinda things, like the Pseduo-Palutena trophy. To assume that he put in something out of context just to trick a vocal minority on the Internet seems kinda...weird to me.

The thing is, this wasn't an isolated incident. He's been going out of his way to avoid mentioning Ridley for months now, and now that we have an unusually player character-like animation of the space dragon, there's reason to think there's a reason for that.

I'm personally betting that Ridley is going to be the Mega Man of this year's E3.

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Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Main Character
#41070: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:54:41 PM

Watch it be ugly NES concept art Ridley.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#41071: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:55:10 PM

I just want to say that while I think Sakurai is definitely trolling, I'm not saying anything about it is a deliberate clue to him actually being playable. I just mean that he knows that being vague will whip the fans into a froth. Sakurai's a man who knows his audience, and likes to wind them up, whatever the actual result is.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#41072: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:55:12 PM

^^^^Hmm yeah. I don't honestly know why people think that tail's tip proves its Other M Ridley since I don't know what Other M Ridley's tail tip is like, but it does seem to have body type of old Ridley so yeah.

edited 11th Apr '14 1:55:28 PM by SpookyMask

nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#41073: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:56:00 PM

Yeah, it really does seem suspicious that Ridley was not clearly shown at this point if he was just a hazard or boss.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#41074: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:57:38 PM

No, I just think Sakurai knows people will think it's suspicious.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#41075: Apr 11th 2014 at 1:58:02 PM

[up]x4 and [up] Exactly. Sakurai is a master troll and he's already won seeing how the fan base has been so wound up over that. The outcome of it is completely meaningless. The troll has not only been fed but stuffed to the brim.

edited 11th Apr '14 1:58:23 PM by Zelenal

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