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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#40851: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:34:51 AM

[up] This is a thing that's going to sell Wii U's. The thing that's going to sell Wii U's is Mario Kart.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40852: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:34:54 AM

No, they're complaining about Project M being compatible only with the NTSC version of Brawl.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40853: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:36:52 AM

[up][up]Pretty sure Smash is a bigger deal right now. The hype for Mario Kart 8 seems rather small by comparison.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#40854: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:39:37 AM

Online hype is not the same thing as mainstream sales. Besides the fact that Smash Bros is coming to 3DS half a year before it's anywhere near a Wii U.

edited 10th Apr '14 11:39:57 AM by BadWolf21

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#40855: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:40:38 AM

Agreed with Kostya. Smash is just severely bigger than Mario Kart that it's not even funny. SSB is going to be the key one. Kart will help, though.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#40857: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:50:25 AM

We-ll, the Wii U sales may be dented by the game competing with itself on the 3DS, but we'll see.

Wouldn't it be cool if one of Mario's customizable moves was FLUDD? Like, if he could choose the repelling Spray Nozzle, extra lateral recovery with the Hover Nozzle , extra vertical recovery with the Rocket Nozzle, or a crazy charged dash with the Turbo Nozzle.

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#40858: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:52:22 AM

That would be cool. I'm hoping that all specials will be customizable to some extent.

edited 10th Apr '14 11:52:32 AM by beorc

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#40859: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:54:37 AM

Mario Kart franchise sales to date: 97.42 million, making it the best-selling of the Mario spin-offs.

Smash Bros. franchise sales to date: 22.78 million, not enough to account for the difference in the amount of games.

Individual sales of Mario Kart Wii (as of December 31, 2013): 35.26 million, making it the second-best selling Wii game behind Wii Sports. Being made the pack-in title late in the console's life helped, but that was after Wii fever had died down, and that it was made the pack-in in the first place is telling.

Individual sales of Super Smash Bros. Brawl (as of March 31, 2013): 11.49 million, making it the ninth-best selling Wii game.

Individual sales of Mario Kart 7 (as of March 31, 2013): 9.35 million, making it the second-best selling 3DS game behind Pokemon X and Y.

Wii systems shipped as of December 31, 2013: 100.9 million

3DS systems shipped as of December 31, 2013: 42.74 million

Despite having less than half the number of 3DS systems in the wild as Wii's, Mario Kart 7 only has 2 million less copies sold than Brawl, and Brawl nowhere near approaches the number sold by Mario Kart Wii.

It's not even a contest, guys.

Hasil: VG Chartz isn't the greatest source, since they often make up numbers before an official sales tracker puts out their numbers (at which point they change theirs). But I used Nintendo's internal numbers (found on Wikipedia) so the point stands.

edited 10th Apr '14 11:57:08 AM by BadWolf21

Etheru Since: Jul, 2009
#40860: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:55:55 AM

I'm wondering the extent of the customizability, which makes me wonder how you can make the Metal Blade any more OP.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#40861: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:56:02 AM

To be fair to Brawl, it is the best selling fighting game of all time by a clean margin.

But he's right - Mario Kart's so much bigger it's not even funny, no matter how much older fans much noise about Smash.

Those games are 6 years old each - I think it's pretty safe to say they've been changed by now.

edited 10th Apr '14 11:56:59 AM by Hashil

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40862: Apr 10th 2014 at 11:57:34 AM

Mario Kart is what's going to save the Wii U if anything does. Smash will be needed to keep up momentum though.

Zelda's FS should be creating a time paradox.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#40863: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:00:50 PM

Now compare the sales of New Super Mario Bros. Wii with New Super Mario Bros. U.

I feel pretty confident that sales are going to be much lower for both Smash and Mario Kart.

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Craving for fish
#40864: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:01:30 PM

3DS screenshots

Hmm, interesting. It seems that Spirit Tracks Link and Alfonzo in Spirit Tracks stage will be picked at random. In the Direct, we see Toon Link as the conductor. But in the screenshots, Alfonzo is in them even when neither of the Links are there.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40865: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:02:37 PM

Thing is, I'm guessing the lower sales of Super Mario Bros U is probably tied to being released on a console with no Smash or Mario Kart on it at the time.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#40866: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:03:01 PM

I just thought of something interesting. What if we can customize Final Smashes for some characters? Like Luigi could have both the Poltergeist and the Negative Zone, and Kirby could have Mega Sword and Cook?

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#40867: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:03:10 PM

I did the math (because I'm a nerd, and why not), and in order for Smash Bros. to be considered objectively a better seller than Mario Kart, it would need to have more than 53.15 million in sales across the franchise, accounting for the fact that there are 2.33 times more Mario Kart games than Smash Bros.

Cassidy: New Super Mario Bros. U is a launch game, while New Super Mario Bros. Wii was released while there were 70 million+ people who owned Wii's in the world. Not quite the same situation.

And yes, they're obviously going to be smaller. The people who bought 70 million Wii's aren't biting on Wii U. But that doesn't mean Kart doesn't have the potential to move systems.

edited 10th Apr '14 12:05:50 PM by BadWolf21

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#40868: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:07:22 PM

@Deadbeatloser: This has been settled, but I just want to point out that even if Mewtwo were objectively terrible in Melee (and as far as I know that's only on a competetive level), he was fun as heck to play as anyways. Even his leaning-on-an-edge animation reeks of "I don't give a crap."

@ZSS Concept Art: "I'm really going to enjoy drawing this!" [lol]Just as great as the footnotes about the heels, imo.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40869: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:08:04 PM

I don't think it's going to be possible to repeat the success of the Wii's console sales, but there's also the fact that half of those consoles never played anything besides Wii Sports at retirement homes to consider.

edited 10th Apr '14 12:08:28 PM by Pulse

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Court Dragon
#40870: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:11:49 PM

What if, instead of altering Metal blade, it instead was replaced with other weapons? Like the Shadow Blade or Laser Trident. Or maybe his side B could be a Napalm Bomb or Danger Wrap.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40871: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:12:39 PM

I actually think that's fairly likely, especially since the defaults are all from Mega Man 2.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#40872: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:15:00 PM

[up][up]Or Remote Mine?

Because Pirate Man is awesome? ...I can dream.tongue

Obviously, we'll be allowed to replace Leaf Shield with Power Stone.

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Court Dragon
#40873: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:19:41 PM

Or maybe Junk Barrier. Can't shoot it, but can move with it engaged.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#40874: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:24:24 PM

Pulse: Agreed. However, Mario Kart Wii had an attach rate of almost 1 in 3, which is extraordinary. Galaxy, the best-selling game for the system that didn't have "Wii" in its title, had an attach rate of slightly more than 1 in 10. Which is generally where a Killer App lives. To Brawl's credit, it's only slightly less than 1 in 10, which is, as I said, a great figure. But Mario Kart can't even hear that over the third of all Wii Systems in existence that have it sitting next to them.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#40875: Apr 10th 2014 at 12:25:45 PM

We should just replace all moves with Metal Blade.

On that note, I do find it amusing that Metal Blade is so defining it's his neutral B move. Those are usually the most iconic abilities, and Metal Blade certainly left an impression.

edited 10th Apr '14 12:26:25 PM by Anomalocaris20

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