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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40601: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:14:04 PM

I don't want Mewtwo to get a Mega Evolution. We've already got two Pokemon with that. Three is pushing it.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:14:18 PM by Kostya

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#40602: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:15:49 PM

You know what'd be hilarious? If Greninja had a "Protean" costume that changed his colors depending on the move he last used.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40603: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:16:45 PM

Preferences or not, Palutena is far more likely than Medusa. Palutena has importance, screen-time, and the series being named after her to her advantage. Medusa has being a villain, but I rather doubt that is a huge factor.

Add Tom Nook to the list of notable deconfirmations by the way.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:17:03 PM by Sterok

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#40604: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:16:46 PM

[up][up]I think he only has water and normal moves though. Which is unfortunate, Protean could've had some interesting potential as a special gimmick.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:16:58 PM by Nap1100

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40605: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:17:02 PM

Hmmm, I don't know if I find most of those reasons terribly convincing, but I'm curious about the stage-hinting. The boxing ring was announced before Little Mac was, right? And one of the new stages is Palutena's... Palace or so? And it's not the only Kid Icarus stage, right? I guess I could see it. I certainly wouldn't complain! I faintly recall being totally in love with the idea after watching some gameplay trailers with her.
Thing is, Palutena's Temple is the most obvious area within Skyworld to feature, and is just as much Pit's home turf as Palutena's.

[up]And what's probably Night Slash.

It also can make swords out of water for some attacks, so who knows.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:17:54 PM by Pulse

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40606: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:18:25 PM

[up][up]His final smash is Dark type.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#40607: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:19:04 PM

I mean that Mega Lucario seems to be more something that's just permanently activated at some point. There's no glow or darkened background, and as far as we know the only benefit to Mega Lucario is having max power regardless of damage.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#40608: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:20:00 PM

Oh dagnabit. Everyone, I hope you brought your detective goggles today, because you're gonna be using them.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40609: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:20:11 PM

[up][up]That's basically what happens with Wario Man.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:20:19 PM by Kostya

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#40610: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:20:30 PM

Preferences or not, Palutena is far more likely than Medusa. Palutena has importance, screen-time, and the series being named after her to her advantage.
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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#40611: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:22:49 PM

[up][up]Yes, but Wario Man also gains invincibility, flight, and is stronger and faster than he was as Wario. All we know about Mega Lucario so far is that its aura attacks are at full power regardless of Lucario's current health. If that's it, that's a weak Final Smash.

Obviously there could be something more, but for now I'm a bit hesitant to say it's Lucario's Final Smash.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40612: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:24:17 PM

Considering the extreme exaggeration of how strong the Aura effect is, I'd say that's actually a very scary Final Smash.

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Court Dragon
#40613: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:24:30 PM

Medusa is the first big bad of the series, and has a villain dynamic (yes I'm using tha like an actual term) with Pit.

I mean the whole reason the big twist of Uprising works is because Medusa is such a prominent villain for Pit.

If Palutena is Zelda, Medusa is Ganondorf.

So, again, I say you have a valid point specifically about the trophy quiz troll.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:25:27 PM by Enlong

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#40615: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:26:00 PM

[up][up][up][up]Well, Sakurai may have just not mentioned other boosts it gives because they're not as major as Aura being at permanent full power. And keep in mind that Aura's effects have been boosted in general compared to Brawl, so it may not be as weak as it sounds.

Anyway, speaking of Palutena's Temple, it looks to me like the largest stage yet in the series.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:26:51 PM by beorc

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40616: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:27:27 PM

It looks to have about as much floor space as Temple, but much more space between the bits of solid footing. It looks pretty nifty, and at the very least isn't nearly as messy as New Pork City.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:27:51 PM by Pulse

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40617: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:28:08 PM

Max Aura Lucario seems absurdly powerful compared to regular Lucario so it doesn't seem that weird to me.

I've already said how I feel about people using that to discount him but this image is still hilarious.

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Court Dragon
#40618: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:29:46 PM

I think he only has water and normal moves though. Which is unfortunate, Protean could've had some interesting potential as a special gimmick.

If it was just colors, what if it also applied to items?

Turning red when swinging a fire bar, icy blue when tossing a Freezie, pink when grabbing a Fairy Botttle, and etc.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40619: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:30:44 PM

I just realized another point in favor of Palutena over Medusa. Traditionally, the secondary hero/sidekick has gotten before the villain. Luigi before Bowser. Falco before Wolf. Diddy before K. Rool. Jigglypuff before Mewtwo if you count it as a villain. Kirby is the main exception, but Meta Knight is more of a rival anyway.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#40620: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:34:46 PM

Considering the extreme exaggeration of how strong the Aura effect is, I'd say that's actually a very scary Final Smash.

Now that I think about it, I also thought that it doesn't make any sense as a Final Smash, buuut... what if the actual maximum power scales all the way up to, like, 999%? A final smash putting you at max power regardless of damage would be horrible if it's possible to not gain anything from it because you already are in the first place, but if the maximum isn't reached at something like 200%, that situation is just not going to happen.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:35:10 PM by Fawriel

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Main Character
#40621: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:48:11 PM

[up][up]Nobody was an antagonist in the original one, though, so at least your case for Luigi before Bowser doesn't hold up.

And Jiggs is/was huge in Japan, too.

edited 9th Apr '14 1:48:27 PM by Grounder

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40622: Apr 9th 2014 at 1:49:35 PM

[up]And? Doesn't change the fact that secondary Luigi got in over big bad Bowser, unless there was a rule that villains couldn't be in Smash 64.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40623: Apr 9th 2014 at 2:09:02 PM

[up]Smash 64 was more focused on the main characters in a franchise cross over fighting game...so that would mean no villains technically.

edited 9th Apr '14 2:09:56 PM by randomness4

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Court Dragon
#40624: Apr 9th 2014 at 2:09:22 PM

Hm.

I'm not finding that convincing.

But I'm not being too compelling myself, so I think I'd best move on.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#40625: Apr 9th 2014 at 2:11:32 PM

So before I go to bed, a question to anyone better at analyzing these things than I am: How do the physics compare so far?

I haven't seen quite enough footage with enough attention to detail yet to come to a conclusion regarding how floaty it is, how strong hitstun is, how much running momentum factors into the speed of jumps, how long characters take to land before being allowed to move again...

I did notice a trend that most attacks seem to be pretty fast, even on someone like Bowser.


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