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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40551: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:07:45 AM

[up][up]I never got why the most recent zero suit is so bad compared to the others.

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Eh.
#40552: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:09:51 AM

Hi, I'm new to serious Smash Bros. Can anyone recommend a good way for someone to get into it? Maybe explain some confusing terms like waveshine, quickfall, etc?

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40553: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:10:03 AM

[up][up]Giant breasts and high heels on what's supposed to be a fairly practical outfit. Sakurai toned the bust size down a bit and made the heels into rocket boosters, so it's a nice way to have the Other M Zero Suit without having the Other M Zero Suit.

edited 9th Apr '14 11:11:20 AM by Pulse

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#40554: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:14:03 AM

No pic of the day? Wow Sakurai way to be lazy. tongue

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#40555: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:14:38 AM

(Zero Suit Samus Entry) Hotter and Sexier: Inverted in the fourth game. While Samus still has a prominent bust in her Zero Suit, her suit looks less sexualized than it did in Brawl.

Uh...I'm not understanding what this. How is it "less sexualized"? >.>

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40556: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:14:42 AM

We got five profiles worth of pics- Cut the man some slack, his wrist is about to implode.

[up]I... What?

edited 9th Apr '14 11:15:14 AM by Pulse

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40557: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:15:41 AM

[up]Well...if you're only referring to Other M, I get the idea...but not really before that.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#40558: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:16:21 AM

[up][up]

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#40559: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:21:15 AM

Her suit has a lot more color to it now. I wouldn't say it makes her less sexy, but a lot more actiony.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#40560: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:22:02 AM

Her new suit is very badass.

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#40561: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:23:00 AM

The zero suit makes sense as something to wear under the armor I can concede, a nice Shout-Out to G Gundam even. It doesn't not make sense as a playable fighter. I don't care about the fact that it exists at all, just how it is used.(Am I really that bad at communicating, seems my point is being missed a lot lately)

Sceptile is too similar to Greninja is why. More non bipeds, Smash bros is an ideal fighting game for them.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#40562: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:23:12 AM

[up]x10: Fast fall means pressing down on the control stick to increase the fall speed after you reach the top of your jump height. High-level players usually use this in tandem with aerial attacks to get in close with an attack.

Waveshining is a Fox or Falco-exclusive technique in Melee (also Wolf if you're doing Project M) that involves a bit of explanation. "Shine" (the name competitive players give the Reflector, or Down B) can be cancelled by jumping almost immediately after starting the attack, so you can shine, jump right after, and act out of the jump. If you perform an airdodge in either of the "down" directions (down, down-left, down-right) before you leave the ground from the jump, you'll perform a wavedash, that technique that every Smash player seems divided on. Right after wavedashing, you can perform any other action, including another shine.

tl;dr Down B, jump, air dodge down, Down B in rapid succession.

edited 9th Apr '14 11:24:22 AM by Nap1100

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40563: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:23:30 AM

Wow, we already have 29 characters revealed. I wonder what the final roster will be. I'm guessing 45 or so at a minimum. Assuming Wario, Captain Falcon, Ness, Meta Knight, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game and Watch, Falco/Wolf, and Ganondorf all return that gives us 37 characters. All of them seem pretty safe so that means we'd potentially have at least 8 more newcomers or veterans. What would your picks be?

I know some of these are unlikely but I'm going with:

  • Sceptile
  • Mewtwo
  • Ray 01
  • Isaac
  • Ridley
  • Shulk
  • Medusa
  • Chrom

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#40564: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:23:48 AM

@random: Random, nope it specifically says SSB4 ZSS is "less sexualized" than in Brawl. :T

Seriously, can anyone explain that?

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#40565: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:27:09 AM

Maybe she does not have any moves where she shakes her ass at the screen? Maybe less suggestive voice clips?

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
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#40567: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:31:47 AM

We don't. Maybe someone who actually had access compared animations and voice clips?

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40568: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:38:04 AM

Let's look at unconfirmed vets.

  • Captain Falcon: Guaranteed in.
  • Ness: Almost certainly in.
  • Jigglypuff: Probably safe, though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned for her now. Still has a better shot than Mewtwo and Sceptile.
  • Ice Climbers: Probably safe given their new enemies unless there's a big kink we don't know yet.
  • Falco: Probably safe, but people are worried for some reason.
  • Ganondorf: Guaranteed in.
  • Mr. Game & Watch: Guaranteed in.
  • Wario: Guaranteed in.
  • Meta Knight: Guaranteed in.
  • Lucas: Likely in, but at risk.
  • Ike: One one of the biggest dangers, but not out yet.
  • Wolf: Likely in, but at risk.
  • R.O.B.: Likely in.
  • Pokemon Trainer/Squirtle/Ivysaur: Red is dead. Squirtle is essentially dead. Ivysaur is still being dragged outside to be shot.
  • Snake: Not looking great, but not dead yet.

There are at least 8 more safe veterans, and only Squirt/Saur/Snake are in massive trouble.

As for old Melee vets:

  • Dr. Mario: Lol.
  • Young Link: Double lol.
  • Pichu: Lol, but has a slightly better shot if they want a G2 rep.
  • Roy: Possible if FE gets 4 reps, otherwise don't count on him.
  • Mewtwo: Decent odds, but faces competition from Jigglypuff, Sceptile, and who knows else, and we don't know how many slots Pokemon will be allowed to have.

Make your own judgements.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#40569: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:40:24 AM

@Indirect: So why should we assume that the editor who put that in had secret inside knowledge? Even if they did, is even really acceptable for a wiki entry? It's not verifiable.

Dezmo Since: Jan, 2011
#40570: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:40:41 AM

Man, it's nice to see the Kremlings again, even if it isn't in a main series DK game. With any luck, maybe we'll see K.Rool get in as a boss character.

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#40571: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:43:18 AM

You can take it off if you are not convinced.

Back to business, Wolf should take priority over Falco. There are not many antagonists in as is.

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TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#40572: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:44:42 AM

I don't care how they try to 'justify' them, I still think that Samus' heels are f'ing stupid. They look terrible, make no sense, and they don't match her outfit at all. I could buy her wearing some kind jet boots, but high heels? Are you kidding me? The feet on Brawl's Zero Suit looked rather sensible and worked, but these? UGH!

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#40573: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:48:37 AM

@Sterok; At least they have a couple games they could overhaul Pichu from.

Really, a return appearance could be great if they were to take Pichu more seriously, IMO.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#40574: Apr 9th 2014 at 11:52:27 AM

Assuming we have 45 characters on the roster and we don't get any more out of left field picks this is now my preferred roster.

It's not perfect but they'd need to include about 60 characters to put in everyone I'd want and I don't see that happening.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40575: Apr 9th 2014 at 12:06:42 PM

Now for the big newcomers.

  • Palutena is practically already sipping tea alongside Zelda and Rosalina. She's the only one I'm willing to say is a shoe-in.
  • King K. Rool is feeling better than ever thanks to the Kremling enemies and lack of other villains to add. Not that safe, but still decent.
  • Dixie is coming off TF and was planned for Brawl, so she's got decent odds, though I doubt both Rool and her will get in.
  • Chrom has decent shots just because he's the main character of Awakening, which is almost certainly getting a rep. Lucina and especially Robin are long shot possibilities, but are still available.
  • Takamaru hasn't had anything going for or against him recently, but he's still a good choice thanks to Nintendo land.
  • Pac-Man has better odds now that we know Namco things are going to be in the game.
  • Mii was hurt slightly by one of the stages, but I still say they have good odds.
  • Issac is feeling even better having survived the Assist Trophy massacre.
  • Shulk still has good odds assuming Nintendo wants to promote X.
  • Tingle is the most likely Zelda newcomer and survived the Assist Trophy massacre, but his oversea problems is still a big obstacle.
  • Sceptile as mentioned is the best choice for a starter to complete the Grass-Fire-Water trinity. Faces heavy competition though.
  • Kamek: Never had good odds and hurt by the Magikoopa enemies, but he could still pull a R.O.B.
  • Medusa I don't think has a shot seeing how Palutena is practically a lock, but other KI not needing three characters there hasn't been anything against her yet.
  • Bandanna Dee: Has better odds thanks to Dedede losing the Waddle Toss, but I wouldn't be optimistic.

Ridley requires a big post of his own, so I'll deal with him later. Remind me if I missed anyone else big who still has a chance. Notable deconfirmations include:

  • Dark Samus
  • Knuckle Joe
  • Lyn
  • Midna
  • Fi
  • Saki
  • Samurai Goroh
  • Darkrai
  • Arceus
  • Meowth
  • Meloetta
  • Deoxys
  • Victini
  • Zoroark
  • Fennekin
  • Chespin
  • Oshawott
  • Zoroark
  • Tiki
  • Lip (her stick is still in)

Did I miss anyone?


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