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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40451: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:12:13 AM

Sounds good. The updated pictures on the website have Trainer nowhere to be found, so I think we can safely say he's not there. Also, he confirmed transformations were gone anyway, so...

Keep in mind he did say any of this was subject to change at final release, so we could change any of these(save who was confirmed playable, I guess) once the game releases or more information via Miiverse/Directs/e3 comes along.

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#40452: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:15:50 AM

Oh, I WAS gonna ask what to do with the character page, but someone changed better than I would've: Put Charizard in his own folder, but kept in the Brawl page right under Pokemon Trainer, to keep them from being separated and Because Charizard still technically debuted in Brawl. I would've just took Charizard's section out of PT's folder and moved it over to the 3DU page.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#40453: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:17:17 AM

I only just learned of Greninja.

While I'm pretty okay with that, I guess, I also learned about Charizard. So this means they're both separate characters and Charizard is not part of a team anymore? Is that seriously what they're pulling here? God, I'm really starting to hate that lizard.

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#40454: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:22:16 AM

Well, all multi-form characters will have the forms separated, so it is understandable. Still, I would rather have Ivysaur as the solo Mon.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40455: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:23:41 AM

Yes. They're separated. Unless he decides to return Transformations into the game(outside of Final Smashes, obviously), but eh. I see his point. They were widely unbalanced. He removed all the Scrappy Mechanic bits of Pokemon Trainer in one blow. I didn't mind 'em, but I respect it.

[up][up][up] Right. Yeah, perhaps we should keep a folder for every direct playable character too? Pokemon Trainer would have his own folder noting strict stuff specific to him.

I know somebody asked about putting Assist Trophies in character folders, but unlike bosses, they do way too little and aren't notable story-wise either.

edited 9th Apr '14 4:23:52 AM by Irene

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#40456: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:31:00 AM

I don't know, I say maybe separate the Sheik and Zero Suit folders if they aren't already, but let's keep separating PT to just Charizard for now, at least until we know whether or not Squirtle and ivysaur also strike it out solo.

edited 9th Apr '14 4:31:37 AM by TechPowah

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#40457: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:31:09 AM

So that's what happened? Huh. Would be nice if the official website actually, like, had info on stuff like that instead of just showing a bunch of pictures.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40458: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:32:35 AM

That works. Shouldn't we separate Bowser and Giga Bowser too? They're separate depending the game, after all. Unless he has his own folder among bosses in the Melee section. It should still be noted that Bowser can transform into him only in Brawl(and it could be 4 as well, but we'll see.)

[up] Indeed. I hate how lacking it is. >_<

edited 9th Apr '14 4:32:59 AM by Irene

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#40459: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:33:36 AM

^^ Yup, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus and Charizard are officially separate characters from Zelda, Samus and Pokemon Trainer, respectively. You know, this technically also means Metroid and Zelda just got an extra rep each for having done so.

edited 9th Apr '14 4:35:33 AM by TechPowah

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40460: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:37:10 AM

Sakurai already declared Brawl had 39 characters. They got no "extra reps". They were always separate in his own eyes anyway.

Sheik was even supposed to have her own Target Test in Melee, reinforcing his "if you play as them separately, they're separate characters" view.

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#40461: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:40:11 AM

Well, I really only meant as far as the character select screen went, but still.

Anyway, unless they separate again or Bowser gets a new Final Smash, I'd keep them together, though I'll add a couple things to Bowser's folder to better explain the differences for Giga Bowser.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40462: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:48:56 AM

Giga Bowser is still a fully separate beast from Bowser, and is a separate boss. His Brawl nerf came out of pretty much nowhere and has no bearing on any plot, even perceived. It's better to keep them separate since the're not the same character in any way.

He always should've stayed separate anyway. He's just an SNK Boss first. Then got promoted(or demoted) to "slightly playable version".

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#40463: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:52:10 AM

I got it, keep Giga Bowser in Bowser's folder, but move the tropes concerning Giga Bowser under a heading below Bowser's tropes. That way they stay in the same folder due to his being a Final Smash, but still illustrate that they used to be separate characters.

edited 9th Apr '14 4:54:44 AM by TechPowah

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40464: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:57:17 AM

I'd say it makes more sense to note he got demoted/promoted(depending on your view) to a playable after being a boss. Giga Bowser is the same as Giant DK and Metal Mario. Later games make them playable via an Item(Super Mushroom, Metal Box, Smash Ball), but they still are separate in their origin.

Since Adventure Mode didn't have a direct story, we can't say that the Bowser you play as(the playable one) could become him in Melee, where Giga originated from. Which is why I think he's better off in his own folder at the end, while explaining the changes. He also has more changed between the Boss and FS version. This should link you to some more information on how both are not just different, but he's highly different from Bowser, even more so as a Boss.

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#40465: Apr 9th 2014 at 4:58:23 AM

[up]Would not Flinching really be an actual nerf?

edited 9th Apr '14 4:59:01 AM by Randomness4

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40466: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:02:52 AM

He gets hit by freeze frames instead. He can barely attack sometimes due to this. I've played both versions myself; Giga Bowser sucks in both games as a PC, but in Melee, actually is halfway decent. He only hardcore loses to Pichu, but can do decent against any of the cast to a degree. In Brawl? Giga Bowser is seriously one of the worst FS's in the game due to a huge size, short, and barely able to do anything good. You're better off as regular Bowser at that point. >_<

He's demoted due to some nerfed power, but promoted in the sense of being officially playable.

Also, notably, the Brawl version has leftover unused animations from Melee too. He even has his own results screen animation. Nobody knows why, though.

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#40467: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:04:56 AM

Alright guys, time out. I hate to break up this discussion, but this needs to be discussed.

HOLY SHIT THOSE REMIXES.

Seriously, the songs they played through the direct were amazing. Was that Tortimier's song remixed in the Villager segment? Spark Man's theme was remixed! That amazing remix during Zelda's segment asdfghjkl THEY'RE ALL SO GOOD! grin

So what's you're favorite during that direct?

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40468: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:10:47 AM

For Ridley, apparently we saw his tail, not his wing. The white tail would indicate Other M Ridley.

I'm not peeved Zard is the one to be kept since it's really the logical choice to make. I know people like Squirtle and Ivysaur, but Charizard is the most popular Pokemon out there.

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#40469: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:15:28 AM

I think the sheer hype that this Nintendo Direct has caused could power all of America for a whole year straight.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40470: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:19:00 AM

Squirtle and Ivysaur may still return. We really don't know. I doubt we'll go beyond six playable Pokemon again, though.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40471: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:29:47 AM

Squirtle is deader than Ridley to me. No way they're going to have two water starters. Squirt's best hope is that we get DLC for all the missing veterans.

Tatsumar Since: Mar, 2011
#40472: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:30:04 AM

I dunno, if that was a playable Ridley, I'm guessing that he was under the effect of a Super Mushroom in that Direct video.

Also, that KK Slider theme was one of my favorite songs show thus far. <3

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#40473: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:30:28 AM

So is it confirmed that Ridley's not in as playable?

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#40474: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:32:37 AM

It's up in the air at this point, but not likely. At best, he'd be a stage hazard, I think.

edited 9th Apr '14 5:33:02 AM by TheHailStormer

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40475: Apr 9th 2014 at 5:36:02 AM

No confirmations. Sakurai trolled the hell out of us. Again. Same with Palutena.

And keep in mind he can make a different version of him playable. He's done that with Toon Link, so nothing outside of the game being released or him outright saying "Ridley will not be playable"(fully assuming he isn't being a Lying Creator, since he pulled that off for five seconds before actually revealing ZSS, notably) is going to confirm it at this point.

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