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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#40351: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:36:51 PM

Interesting observation: Dark Samus doesn't use her Prime 2 or Prime 3 design. They seem to have created their own custom Dark Samus model, which is really nice.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40352: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:37:14 PM

Yeah, still doubting it's a boss. For that matter, more likely a stage hazard if anything, and even more importantly, if he wanted to do more than make it vague, he'd have actually made Ridley come out of the hole. But he didn't. Still vague as hell. He could've had a Super Mushroom, which explains the size. Just way too many possibilities for me to do nothing more than completely doubt his confirmed role at this point. Other M one may still be playable yet. But we'll see.

There is nothing clear about Ridley's role at all. People need to just wait till Sakurai confirms what it is. Speculation isn't going to stop nor should it until we get something legitimate.

edited 8th Apr '14 10:38:51 PM by Irene

Shadow?
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#40353: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:39:45 PM

Maybe he just thought it would be "artistic" to imply stuff.

edited 8th Apr '14 10:40:04 PM by doctrainAUM

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#40354: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:39:59 PM

Just watched the Direct, glad to see ZSS and Sheik made it back, good to see Yoshi and Charizard, but holy crap, I was not expecting Greninja at all, and if I was, I was sort of expecting him as part of a Gen VI Pokemon Trainer trio. So, how are the Mega Evolutions for Charizard and Lucario going to work? Final Smashes? I guess that'd mean we're only going to see Mega Zard X if the footage is any indication. I just hope Squirtle and Ivysaur make it back in. If Sheik and ZSS are going to be their own characters, then maybe Squirtle and Ivysaur could get the same deal.

So far, looks like the veterans who haven't shown up yet are Jiggs, Ivysaur, Squirtle, Meta Knight, Falco, Wolf, ROB, Mr. G&W, Ganondorf, Ness, Lucas, Captain Falcon, Wario, Ice Climbers, and possibly Mewtwo if they want to put him in and use his Mega Evolution. We still have yet to see Ike or another FE rep, Ridley might be forthcoming, assuming that Sakurai wasn't just teasing him as a boss. If Doc's coming back, it'll probably just be an alt costume for Mario, like Wire Frame Mac, or the male WFT.

Gotta say, WFT continues to be hilarious. They do pull-ups while hanging from the ledge! How great is that? And the moves they showed were amazing.

I wonder, with how much the moves are being tweaked, if we'll see a Toon Link more distinct from Big Link?

Wow. It was glorious to see that game in motion. Looks to have restored the speed of Melee and expanded on Brawl's sheer amount of content. Still holding out for Snake and Neku, though. I know, I'm a dreamer.

Think anyone might get cut? I can't see any of the original twelve getting cut.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#40355: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:42:39 PM

@Wolf: I dunno, I wasn't expecting him before, but this tease makes feel more confident that he's playable.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#40356: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:43:55 PM

@Irene: Bosses are stage hazards. At least the kind we're talking about. The Hands are probably still classic-type bosses.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40357: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:45:35 PM

And I still don't believe he's definitely a Stage Hazard(possibly only). Meh, I was not feeling well during the direct.

Regardless, going from a boss to a stage hazard is a pretty big downgrade. No pun intended.

Shadow?
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#40358: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:46:28 PM

So what did the Nintendo Direct have?

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#40359: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:48:07 PM

Who knows, maybe there'll be a boss rush mode where you fight all the stage bosses without any distractions.

X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#40360: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:48:52 PM

@ Red M: Well, Kojima did (eventually) say he wouldn't mind if Sakurai & co. wanted to put Snake in, but at this point in development, I have to wonder how feasible it'd be.

I can't see any of the original 12 being cut either. Not with the Jigglypuff being in Brawl despite being long out of the anime spotlight and Brawl having an entire event dedicated to the 64 vets.

Depending on how valid this picture is in regards to roster selection, we may see Meta Knight, Wario, G&W, and a MOTHER rep (probably Ness), but only time will tell.

Ike could be cut (which would sadden me a bit), but that's dependent (I guess) on if Awakening gets a rep (and if Awakening getting a rep would mean the Tellius games get placed on the backburner).

@ Spooky: In short, they explained features of the games and some version differences, showed off stages (including the reveal that, for online purposes, each stage has a Final Destination version), displayed several new items, talked about moveset changes/additions/alterations (biggest one are the revamps to Samus/ZSS and Zelda/Sheik since transformations are no longer a mechanic, so they're all separate characters), and topped it all off with the reveal of Charizard and Greninja.

edited 8th Apr '14 10:53:37 PM by X2X

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#40361: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:50:16 PM

Oh yeah. I was disappointed that neither Lyn nor Saki made the cut for playable character. At least Isaac wasn't shown, so there's still some hope for him. Those three, along with Mac, were the only Assists I wanted to get promoted.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40362: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:50:55 PM

Interesting observation: Dark Samus doesn't use her Prime 2 or Prime 3 design. They seem to have created their own custom Dark Samus model, which is really nice.
Good to see more Assists are getting the same treatment Waluigi got in Brawl.

[up][up]Awakening did crazy well, to the point where I think three FE characters is actually fairly likely.

edited 8th Apr '14 10:53:09 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40363: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:52:11 PM

Isaac, Waluigi, Saki, Lyn, Tingle, Goroh, and Mac were the only ones I saw as possible fighter material. A good chunk of those are gone and I'm glad one at least got updated to a fighter.

Shadow?
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#40364: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:53:59 PM

So what did the Nintendo Direct have?

Here's everything I saw that was new:

  • 3DS version will launch in Summer of 2014.
  • Wii U version will launch Winter 2014
  • Fighters on the 3DS version will run at 60 FPS even with the 3D on.
  • Pokeballs and Assist Trophies will run at 30 FPS
  • 3DS stages will have 2 songs tied to each one
  • Wii U stages will have a large selection of music which you can go in and choose for said stage
  • Stages
    • 3DS
      • Reset Bomb Forest (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
      • 3D Land (Super Mario 3D Land)
      • Spirit Train (Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)
      • Gerudo Valley (Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D)
      • Arena Ferox (Fire Emblem Awakening)
      • Tortimer Island (Animal Crossing: New Leaf)
      • Living Room (Nintendogs)
      • Prism Tower (Pokemon X and Y)
      • Rainbow Road (Mario Kart 7)
      • Find Mii
      • Balloon Fight
      • Jungle Japes ((Donkey Kong Country) (Melee stage!)
    • Wii U stages
      • Mario Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy)
      • Pyrosphere (Metroid: Other M)
      • Town and City (Animal Crossing: City Folk)
      • Boxing Ring (Smash and Punch Out)
      • Pilot Wings
      • Skyloft (Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
      • Windy Hill (Sonic: Lost World)
      • garden of Hope (Pikmin)
      • Wii Fit Studio
      • Palutena's Temple (Kid Icarus)
      • Halberd (Kirby)
  • Yellow Devil is an obstical.
    • The Yellow Devil can be killed and will cause an explosion which will not affect the payer who kills it.
  • Ridley is not mentioned by name, but his shadow flies over while Sakurai talks about boss characters.
  • Online Play
    • You can choose to play online with friends or against anyone
    • Players can choose whether to fight for fun or competivly.
      • For Fun mode makes all stages random, but without Final Destination, all items, Smash Battles only, and only wins are recoded.
      • For Glory mode: Final Destination will be the only stage, 1-on-1 is possible, and wins and losses are recorded.
  • If you play with friends you can set the rules to however you like.
  • Final Destination
    • Al stages have a Final Destination form (Flast with no platforms)
  • Player's Nintendo Network ID will appear above their character in online play
  • They're discussing a system of banning players who repeatedly start and then drop a match, relentless targeting of an individual, repeated self-destructs, frequent dropping, cheating., and baselessly reporting players.
  • Global Smash Power stacks your score against other players and notes how many people your score beats.
  • Matchmaking based on skill levels.
  • Items
    • New Item: POW Block
    • New Item: Fire Bar
    • New Item: Back Shield
    • New Item: Bombchu
    • New Item: Rocket Belt
    • New Item: Steel Diver
  • New Assist Trophies (other than what we've already seen)
    • Knuckle Joe
    • Saki Amamiya
    • Midna
    • Dark Samus
    • Chain Chomp
    • Elec Man
    • Color TV-Game 15 (Pong)
  • Pokeballs
    • New Version: Master Ball!
      • Only Legendary or Rare Pokemon come out of a Master Ball
  • New Pokemon (we haven't already seen)
    • Eevee
    • Fennekin
    • Meloetta
    • Gogoat
    • Deoxys
    • Kyurem
    • Victini
    • Keldeo
  • Returning Fighters
    • Fighters who used to change forms mid-match will no longer do so.
    • Zero Suit Samus Zeros in!
      • Now has Jet Boots
      • Improved Recovery
  • Zelda
    • Down Special is now Phantom Smash
    • Phantoms can work both offensively and defensively
    • Phantoms can be reflected
  • Sheik Appears on the Scene!
    • Side Special is now Burst Gernade
    • Down Special Bouncing Fish: Acrobatic attack using the heel of the foot.
  • Kirby
    • Hammer can be charged and you can charge while moving
    • Final Smash is now Ultra Sword
  • Dedede
    • Now throws Gordos instead of Waddle Dees.
  • Lucario
    • Lucario can Mega-evolve
    • Mega Lucario's aura attacks always deal damage based on max Aura.
  • Pikmin and Olimar
    • Only 3 Pikmin can follow Olimar at a time.
    • Olimar always picks Pikmin in particular order: red then yellow, then blue, then white, then purple, then repeat with red
    • Olimar's recovery is Winged Pikmin
  • Pit
    • Pit cannot glide anymore
    • Final Smash is now the Three Sacred Treasures
  • Yoshi Rolls into Battle!
    • Yoshi now stands upright
  • New Fighters
    • Rosalina and Yuma
      • Final Smash: Power Star
    • Little Mac
      • Little Mac's attack power actually weakens while aireborne.
      • Wireframe Mac is a costume.
    • Villager
      • Final Smash: Dream Home: the Nooks build you a home which explodes
    • Megaman
      • Final Smash: Megaman Army
    • Wii Fit Trainer
      • Down special: Deep breathing: increases attack power after a few seconds for a few seconds
      • Neutral special: Sun Salutation: projectile which can be collected and saved for later use
      • Male alternate costume
  • Custom Move Sets!
    • Can only be used either online with friends or locally
  • New Game Mode: Smash Run!
    • 3DS only
    • up to 4-player battle game set in a dungeonlike stage full of powerups.
    • HUGE battlefield
    • Time limit of 5 minutes
    • Power ups will improve characters
    • After 5 minutes players will battle normally with the power ups improving their character
    • you can give yourself items before the battle to help you along
    • Enemies will only be acquired from various Nintendo games.
    • Enemies will be different everytime you play.
  • Charizard Fires it Up!
    • Mega Charizard X
  • Greninja Makes a Splash!

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#40365: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:54:06 PM

Pulse: Fun fact: Awakening did so well that it actually saved the franchise from permanent retirement. It was developed with the knowledge that it could be the last Fire Emblem game ever.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40366: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:54:13 PM

Isaac, Waluigi, Saki, Lyn, Tingle, Goroh, and Mac were the only ones I saw as possible fighter material. A good chunk of those are gone and I'm glad one at least got updated to a fighter.
Well, hey, there's always Smash 5 and/or free patched DLC for 'em in the future, right?

[up][up]Well, yeah! but even ignoring the whole "saved the franchise" thing, Awakening sold remarkably large numbers. An Awakening rep is a given at this point.

edited 8th Apr '14 10:55:31 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#40367: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:54:23 PM

@ Pulse: Yeah, FE getting three reps definitely isn't out of the question.

edited 8th Apr '14 10:54:57 PM by X2X

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#40368: Apr 8th 2014 at 10:57:25 PM

If Ridley's a stage hazard, then he's a boss just like Yellow Devil. I'm happy Lyn is still in.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40369: Apr 8th 2014 at 11:00:48 PM

I'm still not convinced Ridley's totally deconfirmed- His movement patterns seemed bizarre for a boss, like someone was actively controlling him.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#40370: Apr 8th 2014 at 11:01:06 PM

I'm kinda hoping we get DLC now. It'd be nice to pad the roster out further post-production, give me something to look forward to at least once the full roster is revealed. And with New Super Luigi U and Pikmin 3's DLC, I trust Nintendo with it.

Not to mention Sakurai hasn't said DLC is off the table.

[up]He does move sorta weirdly, yeah, and while the shadow isn't enough to tell he does look a bit small. I'm still considering him deconfirmed, though. It'd be an epic trolling maneuver if it turned out otherwise, but until then I'll just consider it a dick move to tease him for so long only to deconfirm him. tongue

edited 8th Apr '14 11:04:19 PM by Anomalocaris20

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#40371: Apr 8th 2014 at 11:03:15 PM

Wow, thats a lot of info ._. Have to look through it all slowly..

Anyway, is Pokemon Trainer still a thing or did only C Harizard make a return? Or is it just like Sheik and Zero Suit?

Speaking of Zero Suit, I'm little confused by addition of yellow bracelets/heels into it .-. Still mmakes me miss the Zero Mission design concept where they state to not have huge heels..

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#40372: Apr 8th 2014 at 11:05:03 PM

It's like Sheik and ZSS. The Trainer himself is nowhere to be found at all.

Shadow?
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#40373: Apr 8th 2014 at 11:05:14 PM

The heel bracers are hover/jet engine bits. It's at least not as stupid as the just-heels in Other M, and honestly... Pretty nifty.

And Charizard seems to be attending sans Trainer, Squirtle and Ivysaur this time. Odds are decent Sceptile might pop up, since it's the only Grass starter that has a good Smashing stance, considering Greninja's inclusion.

edited 8th Apr '14 11:06:09 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
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#40374: Apr 8th 2014 at 11:06:16 PM

@ Anom: Unless Sakurai says or show something explicit, I'll filing Ridley under "deliberately ambiguous." tongue

@ Spooky: Charizard's a solo act this time around. Gre[nja]'d.

@ Pulse: That is, unless they're supposed to be the Other M heels with jet boots slapped on. That's what I thought when I first saw 'em.

Speaking of Other M, I'm a bit disappointed at the lack of Anthony Higgs-related jokes here.

edited 8th Apr '14 11:08:54 PM by X2X

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#40375: Apr 8th 2014 at 11:09:13 PM

[up][up][up]Really? Wow, that's great! I love me some FE, I'd hate to see the series get put out to pasture. I'd love to see Ike come back, just because I loved Path of Radiance, and Chrom could work as sort of a middle ground between Marth's speed and Ike's crazy power.

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