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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#39526: Apr 7th 2014 at 11:22:12 AM

Why would the Cuccos be like Kat and Ana...?

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#39527: Apr 7th 2014 at 11:24:10 AM

Hitting the Cucco to get rage'd at doesn't sound the same as Kat and Ana being invincible as they slash across the stage to me, either.

edited 7th Apr '14 11:24:39 AM by TechPowah

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#39528: Apr 7th 2014 at 11:28:40 AM

If it's anything like the regular Cuccoos, it'll swarm people with multiple ones, attacking from many directions.

Honestly, Latias/Latias and Kat & Ana were essentially updated versions of Unnoun and Beedrill. This doesn't really sound much different. Just requires you to first start it up via an attack. If it is a regular Item, you could possibly pick it up for a Parasol effect when jumping.

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#39529: Apr 7th 2014 at 11:33:02 AM

I'm with Sterok on this. So many of these cases are not nearly as ambiguous as people make them out to be. People read more into Sakurai's quotes than they need to. Dude loves to troll, but he doesn't think we're stupid.

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#39530: Apr 7th 2014 at 11:33:03 AM

^^ I wouldn't really say that Latios/Latias and Kat/Ana have that kind of function, though. They attack from the air, yes, but from multiple single strikes, not a whole bunch of hits at one time.

The closest I would say an AT comes closest to Bedrill/N64 Clefairy copying Bedrill/Unown would actually be the Excitbikes, and that's just a ground version.

edited 7th Apr '14 11:36:18 AM by TechPowah

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#39531: Apr 7th 2014 at 11:40:14 AM

The fact he didn't confirm them means we don't know their exact placement. Nobody is an idiot for being unsure. Nobody is an idiot for speculating that it might be different this time around. Stop implying people are idiots for looking at things differently than you are. Seriously. You guys are being extremely rude about this.

@Tech Powah: They're pretty much the same thing. Only difference is the angles at best. Excitebike is actually more different since it doesn't come in from the air whatsoever. Cuccoo really comes off closer to Lati@s to me than anything else. Assuming it's an Assist Trophy, anyway. It has a tiny property of being attackable, making it like Electrode/Bob-Omb to a degree. It might be slightly more comparable to Hitmonlee/Scizor, except possibly more accurate.

edited 7th Apr '14 11:41:06 AM by Irene

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#39532: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:00:41 PM

What is Pikachu's down B? Is it Thunder? Obviously, but we haven't actually been told that. So under that definition, how Pikachu uses Thunder is unconfirmed, and it could actually be down smash. But we know it's down B because that's how it was all previous games and we have been given no reason to think otherwise. Could it not be the case? Technically yes, but there comes a point that we fans overthink things when Sakurai was assuming we could connect point A to point B.

To use a more relevant example, is the Poltergust Luigi's Final Smash? Everything hints to it, with the FS glow being on him while he has it out, but it's never said. It could be his new down B while Luigi just has the Smash Ball in him. Given the context however, Sakurai is saying that it's his new FS. It could be something else yes, but he doesn't generally mislead in his screenshots and captions, except for Xerneas.

There are some ambiguous things, true. Xerneas for one, though it's probably a Pokebal Pokemon. I'm actually not certain what Cucco is. Koume/Kotake are probably stage hazards given the context, but it's possible they're Assist Trophies. Reverse that for Isabelle. Diddy almost certainly still has his bananas, but I'll relent there given the tripping issues. And then there's the Phantom. My rule of thumb is that when we're shown something old and not given any reason to think it's changed, it's works more or less the same.

TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#39533: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:09:54 PM

The pic of Pikachu and Xerneas is on Battlefield U, though, so he has to be a Pokeball summon.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#39534: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:10:38 PM

I already think Luigi's Final Smash may not be the Poltergust either. He just was glowing and was about to put it away when his real one kicked in. He also didn't even tell us it actually sucks things in, it "might" do so. Could even be a funny taunt for all we know. He left it up to speculation way too easily by being quite vague. And no, I don't believe that's enough context to say it was confirmed whatsoever. Hinted at only.

Also, an attack that has been the same move for three games straight is a horrid example too. And didn't Mario lose his Down B and get it changed? The problem is, you really don't know any of that, and it's just assumptions. Whether they're right or wrong doesn't matter. We know Pikachu's Thunder is returning. It's just presumed in the same spot, respectively. Even I think it'll be there, but that doesn't confirm it.

It's still vague in some way. Just because we know a move is returning doesn't mean it'll stay in the same spot. Remember when the Boomerang and PK Fire went to Forward B? Or what I mentioned earlier with the Mario Tornado? He has changed enough spots that assuming the moves will always stay in the same slot gets really silly. It hasn't been the case for any game, so who knows? We'll just have to wait and find out.

Point is, don't tell people uncomfirmed stuff is confirmed till it literally is. It's outright lying. All of that is solely an opinion, with respective reasons why.

[up] Probably. Assuming he doesn't change their roles to being a stage hazard later in the Pokemon stages. Back during the Brawl demo, Sonic was different from his final version, so we outright know he can change things before the final release. Never mind how many Brawl things were removed eventually, due to the leftover unused data, respectively.

edited 7th Apr '14 12:12:20 PM by Irene

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#39535: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:14:14 PM

Stop implying people are idiots for looking at things differently than you are. Seriously. You guys are being extremely rude about this.
That isn't what I'm saying though. Quite the opposite. I'm saying that Sakurai not explicitly saying "yes, this is this" is him treating us as intelligent people who can infer things. I'm not saying those who aren't drawing inferences are stupid, just that it's kind of silly to demand hard words on every tiny thing, especially for things with precedent (e.g. Starfy as an Assist Trophy).

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#39536: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:17:34 PM

Actually, it is necessary to want a confirmation. Some of us edit wikis that only allow confirmed stuff, not "it seems that way". I'm an editor of Smashwiki and this one too. Putting up unconfirmed information in specific areas is against the rules for a reason. Stuff being guessed here(which a good chunk of SSB 4's info right now) goes on WMG only.

It's extremely important that accuracy be kept for those things as is. It applies to any edits on this wiki too. Any vague statements are useless for confirmation.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#39537: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:17:55 PM

That's why I said when we're shown something. We've seen Mario with the Fludd so I can reasonably say that it's still his down B until we're given a reason to think otherwise. Same with Pikachu's Thunder, Link's arrows, Samus's charge beam, etc. Give me an actual reason to think they've been changed to a different place, otherwise yes I'm assuming they're still in mapped to the same buttons.

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#39538: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:20:21 PM

Why not just wait until the game comes out before editing wikis and such if you need that much hard evidence then? Creators outright lie about the content of theirs games sometimes too, y'know.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#39539: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:22:21 PM

[up][up] It's fine to assume. It's not confirmed they're in the same spot. Assumptions are just guesses. Confirmations are facts. This applies likewise to everything that returns.

[up] Anything he confirms we can put on, unless it gets changed in the final release later(which we can then edit). That's close enough for the purposes of the Wiki, respectively.

edited 7th Apr '14 12:23:39 PM by Irene

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#39541: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:32:44 PM

Edit:

That sure is a screenshot we got today.

edited 7th Apr '14 12:43:18 PM by Enlong

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#39542: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:51:30 PM

But is it a screenshot of Smash Bros? Or are Metroids included in the next Animal Crossing, currently in development for Wii U???

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#39543: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:56:58 PM

That's silly.

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#39544: Apr 7th 2014 at 12:57:16 PM

Don't be silly Beorc, it's much more believable than that.

The next Metroid game will have a secret planet that is basically an Animal Crossing-themed level!

edited 7th Apr '14 12:57:59 PM by TechPowah

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#39545: Apr 7th 2014 at 1:03:55 PM

I'm not sure why the argument that happened just happened.

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#39546: Apr 7th 2014 at 1:06:59 PM

It's the nature of the beast.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#39548: Apr 7th 2014 at 1:10:50 PM

It's simple; Stuff is confirmed only by the fact that Sakurai directly says it. If he only hints at it in any way, but doesn't outright say it, it's a reasonable assumption at best.

Unless you're using a different definition of "confirmed" than other people, of course. Which could be what is making this confusion in the first place. Either way, some of those "Assist Trophies"(if they are anyway) are not confirmed, just probably still them respectively.

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#39549: Apr 7th 2014 at 1:12:30 PM

I am looking forward to tomorrow.

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#39550: Apr 7th 2014 at 1:12:33 PM

I wouldn't say I was "Arguing" per se. Anyway, Irene does have some good points if we apply it to the more vague posts, like the pic of Link and Villager in an area that could be anything from the inside of Palutena's Temple to a new Stage Builder.

edited 7th Apr '14 1:13:25 PM by TechPowah

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