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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38701: Mar 25th 2014 at 3:00:00 PM

Yeah, I like Dark Samus. Dark Pit is an amusing character, but I'd rather not have him in Smash Bros. since he's basically a literal clone of Pit (Though considering how many weapons there are in Uprising, it wouldn't be hard to make a different moveset). Dark Samus, though visually similar to Samus and possessing several of her moves, is mostly unique. Despite what her Brawl trophy states.

Though if you want to get technical, Dark Samus likely came from Phaaze, not Tallon IV or Aether, assuming Metroid Prime got to Tallon IV in the first place by hitching a ride in a Leviathan (The discarded Metroid Prime exoskeletons on Phaaze suggest this).

edited 25th Mar '14 3:01:22 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#38702: Mar 25th 2014 at 3:15:49 PM

Info in Prime 3 about the Leviathans would suggest that the Metroid Prime was a Tallon IV Metroid that was lured to the crash site, mutated by the Phazon, and trapped inside when the Chozo created their Cradle.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38703: Mar 25th 2014 at 3:20:09 PM

The Prime shells on Phaaze, though, suggest Prime originated on Phaaze and hitched a ride. The Leviathans normally attract a native lifeform from the planet they impact, but since it already had Prime on board it presumably filled the role.

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#38704: Mar 25th 2014 at 3:24:48 PM

We don't really have any definitive evidence for its true origin, especially considering that its history has already gone through a retcon. Though it would be amusing if Metroid Prime actually turned out to be the first Metroid after all.

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#38705: Mar 25th 2014 at 3:28:14 PM

NO I DO NOT WANT TO GET TECHNICAL ANOMALOCARIS 20.

I just want to shoot Phazon missiles and suck the life energy out of other people.

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#38706: Mar 25th 2014 at 3:57:01 PM

My top wanted characters are Isaac, Takamaru, Shulk, Saki, and Robin.

For Darkified characters, you could also have Ness's Nightmare, Mr. L, Dark Bowser, Hilda, Blood Falcon...uh...American Kirby...

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#38707: Mar 25th 2014 at 3:59:30 PM

Kirby's doppelganger doesn't change much...

Though neither does Meta Knight's; so I guess you can only do so much with spheroids.

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#38708: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:00:54 PM

Could also suggest that other Metroids were lured to Phaaze, or that that sort of exoskeleton is a common feature of extreme Phazon corruption in morphologically similar life forms. There's a lot of crazy stuff on Phaaze.

I think it's simpler to assume that Tallon IV's leviathan got its guardian in a manner similar to the ones in Corruption.

Anyway, I want Isa+Kachi, Shulk, Robin, Isaac/Felix/Matthew, Sveta, and Takamaru.

edited 25th Mar '14 4:02:31 PM by Enlong

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#38709: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:07:58 PM

Sveta would be quite cool, although I rather doubt we'll have 2 playable Golden Sun characters until SSB 5 at the earliest. Maybe as an Assist Trophy, though...

edited 25th Mar '14 4:08:08 PM by beorc

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#38710: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:10:36 PM

Ridley, Kamek, Shulk, Palutena, and Robin are the only characters I really want that are realistic. People like K. Rool and Takamaru are nice and all, but I don't personally have much stake in them, while people like Ephraim, Dimentio, Aegislash, and Midna don't have a realistic chance.

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#38711: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:13:26 PM

Sveta seems like a random character to pull out of Golden Sun. Sure, she's a werewolf, but she's rather offside...Unless my not having beat the game made her even more important at the end.

It would have to be either Isaac or Matthew. But I would think Isaac first.

And then either Garet or Jenna.

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#38712: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:14:53 PM

I always thought that Metroid Prime was, like, the early stage of a Leviathan Core, and was meant to be the core of the leviathan that came first, traveling to Tallon IV, prevented from growing into a proper Leviathan due to the Cradle. The Chozo devised the Metroids based on Metroid Prime, rather than the other way around.

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#38713: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:24:40 PM

The Chozo of Tallon IV were an offshoot of Chozo society. Whatever the Tallon IV Chozo experienced, it didn't come back to the Chozo Samus knew.

The fact that there are Metroids on Tallon IV suggests to me that the creatures were created some time before the split, and that the Chozo brought them along to Tallon IV. Because oherwise, we need to explain why the Tallon IV Chozo independently created something almost identical to the Metroids on SR-388.

Anyway, scans in Corruption kind of give us the story on Leviathans.

The Leviathan is capable of interstellar travel, creating wormholes in space to expedite the journey. Instinctively, it homes in on its planetary target. Shortly after impact, the bioform dies, leaving its armored shell to protect the Phazon core. Before it dies, the bioform often attracts and enthralls a large local predator. After mutating it through intense Phazon exposure, it compels the creature to protect the core.

In other words, whatever life-form is inside a Leviathan is solely for the piloting of the meteor. After it impacts, it attracts a local life-form, corrupts it, and dies.

edited 25th Mar '14 4:27:48 PM by Enlong

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#38714: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:33:40 PM

I swear the Tallon Metroids were just the clones from the orbital ship that fled Zebes. You never saw them in the wild, they were always in Pirate facilities or in the Impact Crater. That they were called "Tallon Metroid" in later games is just a function of them being from the breed that was cloned on Tallon IV (then re-distributed) and had minor phazon exposure.

Should probably move this to the Metroid thread...

You know, Sakurai hasn't talked about music once since he started, while music was a constant theme of the Dojo.

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#38715: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:35:49 PM

It is named Dark Samus because it was first encountered on Dark Aether, at least in its "Samus" form. If they had found it on Talon IV, Bryyo, Elysia, Pirate Home World or The GFS Valhalla they probably would have called it Phazon Samus.

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#38716: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:36:07 PM

[up][up]Metroid Prime seems to have been a Metroid initially. And it got into the Impact Crater before the Pirates arrived with their Metroids, according to the PAL logs at least.

...The Pirates never got into the Impact Crater at all, which raises the question of how Metroids could be in there.

As mentioned, it can't be the Leviathan, what with it not being dead.

edited 25th Mar '14 4:38:44 PM by unnoun

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#38717: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:37:22 PM

[up][up][up]I guess it's because you can't really convey music through pics of the day...

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38718: Mar 25th 2014 at 5:03:02 PM

I find the idea that Phaaze would generate Metroid Prime-esque exoskeletons independantly of Metroid Prime to be much more farfetched than the idea of Metroid Prime hitching a ride on a Leviathan and becoming the core guardian.

Also, as for how the Fission Metroids exist within the sealed-off Impact Crater, Metroid Prime is able to spawn Metroids, as shown in the fight with it. The Metroids outside of the Impact Crater were either brought there by Pirates or had escaped into the wild before the Chozo sealed the crater.

But this is getting rather off-topic.

edited 25th Mar '14 5:04:39 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#38719: Mar 25th 2014 at 5:15:25 PM

But why would that one Leviathan be so different from the others?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38720: Mar 25th 2014 at 5:18:39 PM

It isn't. It attracted the nearest, strongest lifeform, and said lifeform just happened to be inside it rather than out on the planet.

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#38721: Mar 25th 2014 at 5:21:22 PM

By the time we get to Phaaze, Dark Samus and her Pirates have already been there. Scanning crystals mentions their use in Pirate mining. The Pirates installed the Aurora Unit there. We don't see Pirates on the planet, but their fleet is defending it.

It's not hard to imagine that they brought Metroids with them, and if they didn't then Dark Samus, who freed captive Metroids once or twice in Echoes, did. And some of those Metroids would mutate and grow. Etc.

It never says how old those Metroid Prime exoskeletons are.

edited 25th Mar '14 5:22:10 PM by unnoun

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#38722: Mar 25th 2014 at 5:22:06 PM

And the Metroid would survive the impact that kills the Leviahan itself?

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edited 25th Mar '14 5:22:24 PM by Enlong

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#38723: Mar 25th 2014 at 5:22:26 PM

Yeah sure, a tv tropes forum discussion getting off topic. That happens here so much I hardly even notice anymore, probably an effect of it being connected to a wiki.

But no, Prime skeletons are not farfetched. Phaaze has phazon (obviously) and visitation from space pirates and a being with Chozo technology (so the technological parts can be accounted for too). For all we know, Dark Samus retook its old Metroid Prime form temporarily on Phaze and that's why there is a discarded exoskeleton... in fact, the whole argument is silly. The Chozo said they turned to all their technological knowledge to contain the spread of the great poison, which accounts for the Metroids in the crater and Prime's mechanical weapons even after the PAL retcon.

But this does have relevance to this topic, since I have long been arguing Dark Samus should have the ability to turn into Metroid Prime by using its final smash. If there is some (scant)evidence that could make that plausible in the Prime game's themselves.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38724: Mar 25th 2014 at 5:32:02 PM

[up][up]It's Metroid freakin' Prime.

But in all seriousness, if the core thingy (Which seems to be a separate lifeform from the Leviathan) can survive impact I'm sure Prime could.

As for Dark Samus's Final Smash, I think I'd rather see her use the Dark Echoes from her final boss battle in Prime 3.

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#38725: Mar 25th 2014 at 5:37:04 PM

I think the core thingy is mentioned to only form after impact.

But your only evidence for Metroid Prime originating on Phaaze is after we know that Dark Samus/Metroid Prime and Space Pirates have been there.

All the exoskeleton proves is that Metroid Prime or a creature like it was there. Not when it was there. We actually do know that it was there, in the form of Dark Samus.

Also there are Phazon Metroids and Hopping Metroids on Phaaze. And I think a few Miniroids. So we kinda know there were Metroids of some description there by the end. The key is how they got there.

I think the idea that the Pirates brought a Metroid to Phaaze and it mutated and left an exoskeleton to be much less farfetched than there being a creature on Phaaze that hitched a ride on one Leviathan but seemingly none of the others.

I mean, why wouldn't more of those creatures be on all of the Leviathans? Why bother drawing the strongest creature at all when you could just bring it with you?

I think Dark Samus' Final Smash should be the Aurora Unit.

edited 25th Mar '14 5:47:14 PM by unnoun


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