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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#38526: Mar 21st 2014 at 7:52:40 PM

So the roster at the very least won't be hit with the nerf bat too hard. Glad we got that out of the way.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#38527: Mar 21st 2014 at 7:53:01 PM

Sakurai drops hint which implies the number of characters will be at least the number of characters that have already been revealed in other updates.

Details at 11.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#38528: Mar 21st 2014 at 7:55:35 PM

Oh, please. That statement was referring to characters he had already revealed (Of which there's enough for it to take over a month, disincluding weekends).

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#38529: Mar 21st 2014 at 8:48:25 PM

The immediate thought is that this means there will be at least 30 characters in the next iteration of Smash, matching the days in most months. However, Sakurai typically only makes update posts during the five weekdays, so it’s possible that this only confirms a roster of more than 20.

Oh my, some people are interpreting his comment as meaning there are only a month's worth of characters period. Word of Dante is going to kill this game before we get more final details by E3.

To destroy this stupid article, we need to go back....TO THE FUTURE! [lol]

edited 21st Mar '14 8:49:42 PM by Watchtower

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#38530: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:17:43 PM

Whether it refers to 20 or 30 characters, it means nothing. I doubt anyone seriously thought there would be less than 30 characters in Smash 4.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#38531: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:20:32 PM

5 pure newcomers already, right? To have 30 characters (as slots on the character select screen), then, there'd need to be 10 cuts from the old roster, just so far.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#38532: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:27:26 PM

If you had to cut 10 characters who would you cut?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38533: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:43:39 PM

I highly doubt Sakurai is going to actually cut the roster down in size. Toon Link of all people came back after all. If anyone was getting cut he was probably first in line yet he came back. It's probably more a question of who he removes to make room for the new characters.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#38534: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:46:31 PM

1. Wolf

2. Ike

3. Zero Suit Samus

4. Pokemon Trainer

5. Toon Link

6. Lucario

7. Lucas

8. Sheik

9. Meta Knight

10. Jigglypuff

I ran out of ideas at number 7.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#38535: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:49:09 PM

Must...have...Meta Knight...

Must...have...R.O.B. ...

Must...have...Yoshi...

Starting...to get...worried...

When is...the next...Nintendo...Direct?...

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38536: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:50:19 PM

I don't know if there are ten characters I'd want to cut. If I had to pick as many as possible I'd go with:

1. Falco

2. Ike

3. Jigglypuff

4. Lucario

5. Toon Link

6. Lucas

[up]Why in the world are you worried about Meta Knight and Yoshi? Those are two of the safest characters in the entire roster.

edited 21st Mar '14 9:50:57 PM by Kostya

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#38537: Mar 21st 2014 at 9:54:31 PM

If cutting Sheik counts as cutting a character then cutting Pokemon trainer has to count as cutting three characters.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38538: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:00:53 PM

Why even list Sheik and Zero Suit Samus? They're alternate forms. I doubt they're getting cut

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#38539: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:01:17 PM

But what about Snake? When's he coming back?

Oh really when?
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#38540: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:01:32 PM

@Kostya Are they? I don't know any upcoming dates that are relevant to them. I theorized that we'd hear about Yoshi last week or so because of Yoshi's New Island, but we didn't.

And Meta Knight? Kirby's Adventure (his first appearance) was released in Japan in 3/23/1993, and 3/23 is on a Sunday.

...

Wait. Kirby's Adventure came to the Wii U on 4/17/2013...maybe...oh never mind...tongue

I didn't want to say this but...Sakurai's a tough mind to read. tongue

edited 21st Mar '14 10:06:10 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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#38541: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:02:30 PM

Or Sakurai just reveals them whenever, because attempting to predict him is madness.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38542: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:04:30 PM

[up][up]I'm not really talking about when we'll hear about them. Common sense just tells me they'll be back. Yoshi is one of the original 12 and I don't see Sakurai cutting one of them. Meta Knight is Sakurai's favorite character so he's also pretty safe. I'm sure they'll be confirmed in time. It took a long time for Ness and Captain Falcon to be confirmed for Brawl after all.

edit: I'd say the characters that are up in the air at this point are ROB, Falco, Wolf, Ike, Pokemon Trainer, Mewtwo, and Lucas. Most of them could go either way. The other Brawl newcomers and Melee veterans are pretty safe though.

edit 2: Snake is debatable when it comes to this list. On the one hand there's no real reason for Sakurai to cut him but on the other hand Nintendo could veto him since Metal Gear Solid 5 isn't even coming to the Wii U.

edited 21st Mar '14 10:08:52 PM by Kostya

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#38543: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:04:46 PM

Just because they may not have an obvious reveal date doesn't mean they're not safe. Marth was revealed randomly remember. Yoshi is easily the safest unconfirmed veteran. Meta Knight is about as safe as Captain Falcon, aka perfectly safe unless everyone at Nintendo gets completely high.

TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#38544: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:07:08 PM

But what about Snake? When's he coming back?

Never/Never/2000 Never

As of who they should cut? Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, Yoshi, Kirby, Fox, Pikachu, Luigi and Jigglypuff.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#38545: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:08:07 PM

[up]So Ness and Falcon are perfectly safe? Good to know.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#38546: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:09:14 PM

What I like is that when a character is confirmed, they're locked in and there's no more fevered speculation about them.

"They're here? Good! Now, who's next..."

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#38547: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:09:30 PM

Hmmm, thinking about R.O.B. made me realize something...

Exactly how did he get in Brawl in the first place?

Also, Meta Knight's Sakurai's favorite character? When'd he say that? And by favorite character, do you mean favorite character in Smash Bros., Kirby series, or just overall favorite video game character?

edited 21st Mar '14 10:12:30 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#38548: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:11:18 PM

Sakurai thought he was an interesting character idea. That's really all the excuse he needs provided he's a video game character that's been in a game on a Nintendo console.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#38549: Mar 21st 2014 at 10:12:51 PM

Total characters in SSB4 revealed so far: 24

Revealed Veterans: 19

Revealed Newcomers: 5

Total characters in Brawl: 37

So, maximum possible cuts ATM: 18

Cut candidates:

  • Captain Falcon

  • Falco

  • Ganondorf

  • Ice Climbers

  • Ike

  • Jigglypuff

  • Lucas

  • Meta Knight

  • Mr. Game & Watch

  • Ness

  • Pokémon Trainer

  • R.O.B

  • Sheik

  • Snake

  • Wario

  • Wolf

  • Yoshi

  • Zero Suit Samus

If there are no more newcomers and no cuts, there would be 42 characters total.

If there were 10 new characters total and no cuts, that would be 47 characters total.

If there were no more newcomers and the roster was the same size as Brawl's (the latter is suggested by an interview), there would have to be 5 cuts.

If there were 10 new characters total and the roster was the same size as Brawl's, there would have to be 10 cuts.

If there were 10 new characters and SSB4 had just 5 more characters total, there would have to be 5 cuts.

If, like Melee and Brawl, we got 15 new characters, and no cuts, there would be 52 characters total.

If we got 15 new characters and the roster was the same size as Brawl's, there would have to be 15 cuts.

If there were 15 new characters and SSB4 had just 5 more characters total, there would have to be 10 cuts.

If the total roster size was 30, there would have to be at least 12 cuts.

edited 21st Mar '14 10:25:56 PM by CassidyTheDevil

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